Okay, that's a pretty interesting detail, I'm glad you checked :D
This site among other things lists the Spanish nobility she thanks in her last will for helping her as: Don Diego de Acevedo, Don Diego de Mendoza, Gutierre Lopez Padilla, Ruy Gomez, the Duchess of Alva and the Dukes of Alva and Medinaceli. (Ruy Gomez is Philip's bff and the future husband of Eboli.) The Spaniards who came first with Catherine of Aragon and later with Philip to England usually don't get much fictional attention, not least since most of them didn't stay, with such notable exceptions as Maria de Salinas (Catherine's lady in waiting who became the mother of Catherine the later Duchess of Suffolk.) But it's an interlude rife for dramatic potential given they'd all be on opposite sides a few years later. Most of all of course Elizabeth and Philip, who may or may not have flirted intensely, depending on whether you believe the anecdote of Philip confessing on his death bed they did and that undoubtedly God punished him for it for his remaining life by making Elizabeth his arch nemesis. At the very least, though, they did meet, repeatedly, and since Philip was the one person able to keep her sister Mary from locking her up again or executing her, Elizabeth was friendly to him. I have to admit I do headcanon them as flirting. Incidentally, both Jane Dudley when lobbying with the Spaniards for her sons' lives and Elizabeth with Philip would presumably have spoken French with them, or in Elizabeth's case Italian or Latin (all languages she and Philip had both been taught), since the Spaniards sure as hell did not speak English. (The new arrivals with Philip, that is. The ones who'd come with Catherine had of course learned in the years afterwards.)
Back to the Dudleys - Jane and her husband had been raised together (he had been her father's ward after his own father's execution) and had one of those rare historical love matches; in thirty years of marriage he remained faithful to her, and she adored him, writing with startling honesty to one of the (English - this was shortly after Mary's coronation and before she married Philip) nobles she pleaded to intercede with : good madame desire my lord to be a good lord unto my poor sons sones: nature can not otherwise do but sue for theme although I do not so much care for them as for their father who was to me & to my mind the most best gentleman that ever loving woman was married to
Her husband for eons usually showed up as an ogre in Tudor historical fiction, being blamed entirely for Lady Jane Grey "Queen for nine days" tragedy, but in the last fifty years or so, historical research (which painted a far more complicated picture for longer than that) started to trickle into fiction. This lady here makes a witty case on what's to like about John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland.
:(((( about the Luther clip - and presumably all the Carlos Rey Emperador clips - not being available in your region. Maybe the show itself, and its predecessor Isabel (about Isabella of Castile), is on American Netflix or Amazon Prime? (It's not in the German variation, I checked.)
Heh, that's too bad about the fanfic situation; Charles and the Margarets and so on and Philip would make for great fanfic, wouldn't they?
So very much.
(Schiller: Well, yes. Verdi/Mery/du Locle: And we even put Charles in! Schiller (and everyone else): BUT WHY?)
LOL. I take this to mean you don't like the five act version best? BTw, I think there's a letter from Verdi to his librettist somewhere where he says that since Schiller invented Posa from scratch, changed Carles from creep to sympathetic emo youngster and came up with the love affair with Elisabeth (Verdi was wrong there, this element had been there in fictional depictions before Schiller), one more invention like Charles ex machina should not be a problem.
Re: Margaret of Parma
This site among other things lists the Spanish nobility she thanks in her last will for helping her as: Don Diego de Acevedo, Don Diego de Mendoza, Gutierre Lopez Padilla, Ruy Gomez, the Duchess of Alva and the Dukes of Alva and Medinaceli. (Ruy Gomez is Philip's bff and the future husband of Eboli.) The Spaniards who came first with Catherine of Aragon and later with Philip to England usually don't get much fictional attention, not least since most of them didn't stay, with such notable exceptions as Maria de Salinas (Catherine's lady in waiting who became the mother of Catherine the later Duchess of Suffolk.) But it's an interlude rife for dramatic potential given they'd all be on opposite sides a few years later. Most of all of course Elizabeth and Philip, who may or may not have flirted intensely, depending on whether you believe the anecdote of Philip confessing on his death bed they did and that undoubtedly God punished him for it for his remaining life by making Elizabeth his arch nemesis. At the very least, though, they did meet, repeatedly, and since Philip was the one person able to keep her sister Mary from locking her up again or executing her, Elizabeth was friendly to him. I have to admit I do headcanon them as flirting. Incidentally, both Jane Dudley when lobbying with the Spaniards for her sons' lives and Elizabeth with Philip would presumably have spoken French with them, or in Elizabeth's case Italian or Latin (all languages she and Philip had both been taught), since the Spaniards sure as hell did not speak English. (The new arrivals with Philip, that is. The ones who'd come with Catherine had of course learned in the years afterwards.)
Back to the Dudleys - Jane and her husband had been raised together (he had been her father's ward after his own father's execution) and had one of those rare historical love matches; in thirty years of marriage he remained faithful to her, and she adored him, writing with startling honesty to one of the (English - this was shortly after Mary's coronation and before she married Philip) nobles she pleaded to intercede with : good madame desire my lord to be a good lord unto my poor sons sones: nature can not otherwise do but sue for theme although I do not so much care for them as for their father who was to me & to my mind the most best gentleman that ever loving woman was married to
Her husband for eons usually showed up as an ogre in Tudor historical fiction, being blamed entirely for Lady Jane Grey "Queen for nine days" tragedy, but in the last fifty years or so, historical research (which painted a far more complicated picture for longer than that) started to trickle into fiction. This lady here makes a witty case on what's to like about John Dudley, Duke of Northumberland.
:(((( about the Luther clip - and presumably all the Carlos Rey Emperador clips - not being available in your region. Maybe the show itself, and its predecessor Isabel (about Isabella of Castile), is on American Netflix or Amazon Prime? (It's not in the German variation, I checked.)
Heh, that's too bad about the fanfic situation; Charles and the Margarets and so on and Philip would make for great fanfic, wouldn't they?
So very much.
(Schiller: Well, yes.
Verdi/Mery/du Locle: And we even put Charles in!
Schiller (and everyone else): BUT WHY?)
LOL. I take this to mean you don't like the five act version best? BTw, I think there's a letter from Verdi to his librettist somewhere where he says that since Schiller invented Posa from scratch, changed Carles from creep to sympathetic emo youngster and came up with the love affair with Elisabeth (Verdi was wrong there, this element had been there in fictional depictions before Schiller), one more invention like Charles ex machina should not be a problem.