felis: (House renfair)

Re: Manger, Knobelsdorff - and Peter Keith! -- or not?

[personal profile] felis 2021-03-19 10:59 am (UTC)(link)
another loss to WWII, I guess

I suspect so, given that it wasn't mobile like some other interiors that were stored elsewhere. Probably melted when the Palace burned down.

someone older, notoriously prickly and not prone to mince words as Knobelsdorff also trusts and likes him (enough so to single him out in his last will), I think a case can be made of Peter being another who is good at being diplomatic

You know what I had to think of? Lehndorff's mention of Peter's "English manners". If, as Fritz says in his eulogy, Knobelsdorff regarded courtesy/social trappings ("complaisance" in the French original) as an inconvenience, he might have liked it if Peter had a more direct style perhaps.

BUT. re: confusion of Keiths. While I think the Knobelsdorff/Keith friendship is probably sound, Engel might have misattributed the letter to Peter! Because I just googled the ending phrase - "De Votre Majesté Le plus humble et plus obéissant serviteur Keith" - and found a different letter from JAMES Keith that ended exactly like that. James Keith, whom Fritz made governor of Berlin in 1749, and who therefore might have had a reason to talk about bridges with Fritz as well. It's possible that the papers in the state archive records identify Peter by more than just "Keith", but if the letter is all there is? Hm. Huge grain of salt here.
selenak: (Default)

Re: Manger, Knobelsdorff - and Peter Keith! -- or not?

[personal profile] selenak 2021-03-19 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, in that case, I agree that James as the letter writer sounds more likely, but the main issue to me is the Knobelsdorff/Keith connection.

English manners: could be! It's a shame for this reason, too, that Peter died a few months after Mitchell arrived; I bet they'd have gotten along, too.
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)

Re: Manger, Knobelsdorff - and Peter Keith! -- or not?

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-03-19 04:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I just googled it myself, and it in fact ends:

j’ai l’honneur d’etre avec le respect le plûs profond
Sire
De Votre Majesté
Le plus humble et plus obeissant serviteur
Keith.


Which is pretty long to be almost identical, even given 18th century formulas. I'm betting on James, then, especially if he was governor of Berlin. Alas!
mildred_of_midgard: (Default)

Re: Manger, Knobelsdorff - and Peter Keith! -- or not?

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-03-19 04:39 pm (UTC)(link)
You know what I had to think of? Lehndorff's mention of Peter's "English manners". If, as Fritz says in his eulogy, Knobelsdorff regarded courtesy/social trappings ("complaisance" in the French original) as an inconvenience, he might have liked it if Peter had a more direct style perhaps.

I like this hypothesis! Particularly if Keith, as Lehndorff indicates, was nice and friendly and not confrontational in the content of what he said, he just phrased things in an English (more direct) way. I could see Knobelsdorff getting along with someone like that. (Especially if Peter didn't tell him how to do his job. :P)