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Re: His Name is Diable. Le Diable: Bad Times

[personal profile] selenak 2021-03-06 06:56 am (UTC)(link)
OOOOH, I didn't know this!

Fritz: I write my own anti-Voltaire pamphlets, thank you very much. :P


No kidding, though who would have known that then? :)

Wolff: his statement re: French and his opinion on the other scholars also makes into both books. BTW, the Manteuffel/Wolff correspondence is bilingual, in that Manteuffel writes French and Wolff writes German, so I think we can take Wolff at his word - he oould read and understand French in written form well enough, but wasn't comfortable enough with it to write, let alone talk in the language. I can see why, even aside from everything else, this would make you balk at joining an instutition where the King has just decreed all conversation and all writing must be in French.

The editor then tells roughtly the same story of the literary war between Fritz and Deschamp, and his flight to Kassel and London. No idea how accurate the details are, but this is what 1787 guy says!

Well, Dechamps is another who later wrote a vengeful memoir, so I assume that was the common source for both this editor and Bronisch.

How does Dechamps find out? From little Ferdinand.

Who has always shown Fritz friendship!


LOL. I had a quick gander in the Bielfeld letter where he writes about taking over Ferdinand's education, and he says that while ten years old F's education clearly had been somewhat neglected so far, what with Ferd only showing enthusiasm for hunting (don't do it, Ferdinand, your aim is terrible!) and the military, NOW that Bielfeld has taken over, the scholarly bug has bit him. I note - as several biographers before me - that Fritz was on to something re: his brothers' education having been neglected under FW, but again I say: if you're a teacher and have seen how Fritz' teachers have faired, what would you do?

I love how this matters SO much to Bronisch.

So much that it's even included in the blurb printed on the back of the "Kampf um Kronprinz Friedrich" book - ...(Bronisch) solves the mystery of the naming of "Sanssouci"....




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Re: His Name is Diable. Le Diable: Bad Times

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-03-06 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
BTW, the Manteuffel/Wolff correspondence is bilingual, in that Manteuffel writes French and Wolff writes German

And as noted, this is what I would have naively assumed Fredersdorf and Fritz would start doing, so the fact that Fritz keeps writing (bad) German to him to the end is very touching.

again I say: if you're a teacher and have seen how Fritz' teachers have faired, what would you do?

I'm with you on this!

So much that it's even included in the blurb printed on the back of the "Kampf um Kronprinz Friedrich" book - ...(Bronisch) solves the mystery of the naming of "Sanssouci"....

*spittake*

Was he really the first person who published this? You mentioned it to us back in January 2020, but I'm not sure what your source was.

But, Bronisch, have you solved the *real* mystery, aka the mystery of the comma in "sans, souci.", which has been bugging people for centuries?

[personal profile] cahn, if you're not familiar, this picture shows the way Fritz had the phrase engraved on his palace.
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Re: His Name is Diable. Le Diable: Bad Times

[personal profile] selenak 2021-03-07 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Was he really the first person who published this? You mentioned it to us back in January 2020, but I'm not sure what your source was.

Wikipedia. (German version) Which names both of Bronisch's books in as its sources, so that figures. Mind you, that entry says that a historical novel "Der Meister von Sanssouci" (which is actually about Knobelsdorff the architect) by Martin Stade from 1971 - thus predating Bronsich's doctoral theses by decades - already includes a scene where Manteuffel tells someone else Fritz plagiarized the name. So Bronisch is not the first one to come up with that theory. Martin Stade also wrote a novel "Der König und sein Narr" about Gundling which is credited with changing a part of the reading public's mind about Gundling and which I've been meaning to read for a while.
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Re: His Name is Diable. Le Diable: Bad Times

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-03-07 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
- thus predating Bronsich's doctoral theses by decades - already includes a scene where Manteuffel tells someone else Fritz plagiarized the name. So Bronisch is not the first one to come up with that theory.

Ha!

Ooh, yes, you should read both those books (when time permits) and tell us about them!