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mildred_of_midgard ([personal profile] mildred_of_midgard) wrote in [personal profile] cahn 2021-03-20 10:11 pm (UTC)

Peter Keith and maps

OMG. You are the best!

Remember that Adresskalender?

I remember it well! I was thinking of using it for my Keith son research, but hadn't gotten to it yet. Thank you, Holmes!

Lol at the different names. At least none of them is Friedrich Ludwig! Schmidt-Lötzen has *Friedrich* as the envoy, but then I later discovered a more reliable looking modern source that has Carl Ernst Reinhard as the envoy and Friedrich Ludwig as the obscure brother, and then the Prussian state archives had Peter Karl Christoph (vel sim.). And now I see he's listed as Carl Ernst Reinhard and Peter Carl! I count Ernst Reinhard Carl and Carl Ernst Reinhard as the same, btw, since name ordering wasn't constant back then--our Peter is Peter Karl Christoph and Peter Christoph Karl with almost equal frequency--but Peter Carl and Ernst Reinhard Carl are rather different.

Was he named Peter Carl Ernst Reinhard and they called him Carl or Ernst or Reinhard while Peter the father was alive, and then after Peter died, Carl started wanting to be known by his father's name at some point as an adult (it's easy to miss a father who died just before you got to the teenage conflict years), and then went back to his old name? See if you can find me his baptismal certificate. :P (I say this tongue-in-cheek, but I wouldn't put it past you!)

Oh! And I want to know where Peter was buried. I went with "random churchyard in Berlin" for fic, knowing that there's a decent chance he was buried indoors. But I want to know where, even if it no longer survives!

I wonder if Friedrich Ludwig died young. Or maybe he just lived a very obscure life, unlike envoy brother, and never made it into the records.

Also, thanks to Kloosterhuis, we know where Peter Carl Ernst Reinhard :P lived when he died in 1822: Taubenstraße Nr. 42. So that's presumably the "Taubenstr. im Friedelschen Hause" mentioned starting in 1788.

Oh, this is what I find on Friedel, who apparently was a construction manager who worked on Rheinsberg, then on Sanssouci under Knobelsdorff, in addition to his later, independent Anhalt-Zerbst work. He owned a house on Taubenstrasse, and died in 1793.

Not sure about the Colbischen Haus, but this is the Alter Packhof. You can just about see it on this 1710 map: find Jägerhof in the lower left inside the walls, find the nearby Fürsten Haus (at least that's what it seems to say), then go up a little: it's right by the river. Today's Schinkelplatz. You can also see the Jungferbrücke.

So basically, he's staying in this tiny little corner of Berlin. Okay, here's the 1710 map, with Jägerhof in red. Everything else is nearby. Brüderstrasse is just across the water from Jägerhof.



Modern-day Berlin.



Yellow circle over modern-day Lunch Time cafe, where the Jägerhof stood, then the Bank of Berlin, until the bank filled up the entire block, and then got moved one block east to the larger block on the water where you see the modern Auswärtiges Amt (moving the bank there was, if I recall from my Jägerhof research a year ago, the first building project of the Worst Fanboys and highly publicized by them as it was happening).

Just east of Jägerhof, on the other side of the water, the Brüderstrasse 13 property, where Peter and family lived with Ariane's mother until she sold it in 1747, and where Nicolai later gave it its current name. (If I ever go back to Berlin, I'm going to have TOO MUCH to see. :P)

ETA: also, note that the Lustgarten and Museumsinsel (where the Altes Museum, and thus the original Antinous statue, not the copy at Sanssouci, stands) are *right there*, a little to the north, and thus that I was *right there* near the Keith residences! (Even if the Jägerhof is no longer standing, I still care.) Of course, I probably looked *right at* the "Praying Boy" when I was in the museum, and had *no idea* I was looking at Katte's tribute (like Fritz used to do on summer days, in his old age).

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