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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2021-02-20 09:19 pm
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Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 24

Every post I can't believe this is still going on, and yet, here we are :D
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Re: The Escape Attempt (Nicolai Version)

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-02-28 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
More later, but:

(Indirectly, because my new theory here is that Wilhelmine had it from Fräulein von Pannewitz, FW puncher and sister to Katte's commander Colonel von Pannewitz, when she visited Berlin for eight months between late 1732 and 1733, and that Fräulein von Pannewitz had it from her brother.)

LOL! I woke up this morning thinking, "Wait, I bet Fräulein von Pannewitz is Wilhelmine's source! I need to go tell everyone!" and I jumped out of bed and came downstairs...to find that I'd been scooped. :D

My reason, though, was that Wilhelmine, many years later, and Stratemann, shortly thereafter, both give very similar renditions of the lines Katte wrote on/below his window in prison. And I have *always* wondered how Wilhelmine got those so many years later, when as far as I know, they were never published (unlike the letters). And now that I realize that Colonel Pannewitz was not just Katte's commander, but this closely involved in his arrest, and that Katte was held in the Gens d'Armes guard house and not something more generic...I think we have a plausible transmission route for something as detailed and word-specific as a poem. (There are noticeable differences between Stratemann and Wilhelmine, but comparative method I learned tells me that they must ultimately go back to the same source, which means they both have good intel on this point.)

Also, you're missing some words (possibly due to bad html?) in:

Also, interestingly, Wilhelmine says he was waiting for a saddle to be made that could contain all the papers and money and stuff he needed to travel with.said (whether it was true or not) to his Gens d'Armes comrades

I can mentally supply sth like "This may have been what Katte said," but if you said more before that, I can't reconstruct it. ;)
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Re: The Escape Attempt (Nicolai Version)

[personal profile] selenak 2021-02-28 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, bad formatting seems to have swallowed several sentences from me. After "needed to travel", I had that Hertefeld said Katte was waiting for a carriage he needed to travel, and that while these are different things, they are similar enough to point to a possible shared well of information. Also that I didn't necessarily see it contradicting Katte telling the Danish envoy (who told Fritz, who told Mitchell, unless, of course, Fritz for whatever reason was lying to Mitchell) that he was remaining for "some girl" - Katte's comrades from the regiment would know better than the Danish envoy whether or not Katte was currently having a love affair, so they need another story. I'm assuming here that both stories aren't really true but cover stories for "I first need to destroy all the stuff incriminating the Princess and the Queen", which of course might not be true.

Both of us deducing the Pannewitz connection: Salon hivemind strikes again! *highfives*
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Re: The Escape Attempt (Nicolai Version)

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-02-28 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
High five!