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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2021-01-01 10:38 am

Frederick the Great, Discussion Post 22 (or: Yuletide 2020 edition)

ETA: Whoops, I missed my cue -- this might as well be the next discussion post, I guess! :)

This is about the fic I didn't author (I have another reveals post for the fics I did author).

So my goal this Yuletide was NOT to write any historical fandom (because hard!) and just enjoy the excellent stuff that other people wrote. And... that sort of happened? I didn't end up authoring anything history-intensive? Buuuuut I ended up spending a lot more time than I did on any of my own fics working with [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard on her fic, which she was worried about being able to pull off because she had had this completely insane idea to write a long casefic about Frederick the Great that every time I turned around had another twist put in :P :) She supplied me with what we called a "rough opal in matrix" bus pass casefic, and I cut away the matrix that remained and in some cases carved the opal -- that is to say, writing additional text for some of the scenes, what we liked to call "putting in feels," and in at least two cases entirely rewriting and/or restructuring the scene she'd written. She didn't always keep what I wrote (which we'd agreed upon in the beginning), but when she did (which was most of the time :) ) she then went in and rewrote/restructured what I put in to wordsmith (some of the words I gave her were really rough) and match her style, adding even more scenes -- that is, polishing it up and adding some gold and diamonds -- and voila, a beautiful pendant, I mean, story :)

I'm really proud of it and also it was really fun and also what I could handle this year, especially because mildred did all the parts I thought were hard and also wrote all the parts involving actual history or subtle AU before I was brought in so I didn't actually have to know historical stuff (though I guess I will never forget the battle of Leuthen now), and took full responsibility for how the whole thing turned out, so all I had to do was be like "Here, I'll write some rough feels for you for this scene!" The funny part was that I would often then write a paragraph justifying why I *had* to write the scene the way I did, and more likely than not mildred would be like, "yeah, I was sure you would do that, of course it should be written like that." (The most glaring example of this was where I inserted the Letter of Doom at the climax. I was worried there was some reason she didn't want it there, but she said, no, she just didn't have time to put it in herself and was just trusting me to do that :) ) She started jokingly calling me her "other self," to which I replied that it was with 1000% less angst and frustration -- as Frederick the Great's brother was his "other self" (which actually comes up in the fic) that he could trust to do all kinds of competent things, but they had a relationship that was, um, fraught? radioactive? Whereas this was just fun :)

Mildred did so much more than I did (we estimated a 90%/10% word ratio, not even counting the part where she wordsmithed a lot of my text) that I felt very uncomfortable being listed as a co-author, but hey, ~3000 words is a respectable Yuletide fic length :)

Yet They Grind Exceedingly Small (30384 words) by mildred_of_midgard
Chapters: 5/5
Fandom: 18th Century CE RPF, Historical RPF
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: Major Character Death
Relationships: Anna Amalie von Preußen & Wilhelmine von Preußen, Anna Amalie von Preußen & Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen, Wilhelmine von Preußen & Elisabeth Friederike Sophie von Brandenburg-Bayreuth, Friedrich II von Preußen | Frederick the Great & Wilhelmine von Preußen | Wilhelmine of Prussia
Characters: Anna Amalie von Preußen (1723-1787), Wilhelmine von Preußen | Wilhelmine of Prussia (1709-1758), Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen | Henry of Prussia (1726-1802), Elisabeth Friederike Sophie von Brandenburg-Bayreuth (1732-1780), Wilhelmine von Hesse-Kassel (1726-1808), August Wilhelm von Preußen | Augustus William of Prussia (1722-1758), Alcmene 1 | Frederick the Great's Italian Greyhound, Voltaire (Writer), Friedrich II von Preußen | Frederick the Great
Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Dysfunctional Family, Suicide, Alternate Universe - Dark, Siblings, Canon-Typical Violence, Mystery, Tide of History Challenge
Summary:

January 1758. Prince William is dead, some say of a broken heart. Frederick wants to absolve himself of blame for William's death. Henry schemes to end the Third Silesian War on his terms. Amalie and Wilhelmine team up to find out what really happened to their brother. Alcmene just wants to be told she's a good dog.

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I just can't wait to be king

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-01-23 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Back when F1 was still an elector and desperately campaigning to get recognized as king, he was relentlessly insisting that he deserved the same ceremonial treatment, privileges, precedence, etc. as a king. So his master of ceremonies had to do a lot of work making a case for why electors were the equals of kings and deserved just as much respect.

Once F1's campaign succeeded, his master of ceremonies' job went overnight to making the case for why kings were far superior to electors and deserved far more precedence. The part that made me laugh was when Horowki reported that he had to buy back as many copies as he could find of all the learned pamphlets he'd written over the last decade, and destroy them.

ETA: Oh, Horowski also says that the "in" vs. "of" was only for certain formal documents, and casually everyone said "King of Prussia," or used "King in Prussia" the same way they used "King in England," i.e. without a politically meaningful difference. And in some languages, no one used "in" at all.

He also repeats the claim I've seen in many places, that "of" wasn't formally recognized until the acquisition of West Prussia in 1772.

Which btw includes this bookmark I picked up in a gift shop, presumably the one at Sanssouci.



While digging that up, I ran across this postcard, which I'd forgotten I had, and which I acquired on the same trip:

Edited 2021-01-23 15:41 (UTC)
selenak: (DadLehndorff)

Re: I just can't wait to be king

[personal profile] selenak 2021-01-24 07:36 am (UTC)(link)
casually everyone said "King of Prussia"

The French envoys certainly did in their "hot or not" reports. :) Then again, they also called him F3, because of the uncertainty of how to list FW.

Poor Master of the Ceremonies. Only not so much, since I'm sure that being an F1 official as opposed to an FW one meant he was paid very well (or ascertained he was via less legal means). But you can see Wilhelmine came by her insistence on which chair to sit in as a King's daughter honestly.

The Margraves of Brandenburg were such nouveau riches. ;)
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Re: I just can't wait to be king

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2021-02-07 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, you win this round, Google Photos, but in theory, this link should work:



*fingers crossed*
selenak: (Wilhelmine und Folichon)

Re: I just can't wait to be king

[personal profile] selenak 2021-02-08 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
It works for me!