Cahn: I'm very happy about a list of ideas! A document in the library, I guess? I feel like at Yuletide I've been like, "...what were those fic ideas I wanted again??" and I am sure there are several I'm just totally forgetting.
I was thinking about the possibility of putting the fic snippets on AO3 itself so that other people could read them :) (Oh come on, doesn't everyone want to read the outline of Fritz/Joseph marriagefic? OF COURSE THEY DO.) I was thinking maybe just one AO3 work, with each different snippet as a different chapter. Rheinsberg would work too, of course.
I'm for collecting all the prompts at a Rheinsberg post. Not sure about the round robin and fic snippets at the A03; for now, I'd rather see them also at Rheinsberg.
I'm more inclined to Rheinsberg myself for snippets, especially since some of these are getting turned into actual fics.
For the list of prompts, I'm with cahn about a document in the library, because it has the advantage of being editable by all three people. What I'm hoping for is not just a list of the ideas we've proposed, because I can look those up, but which ones are going to make someone especially happy if I invest the time in researching and writing them, because that's very motivating. :)
So a doc that all three of us could update as we got especially excited about an idea or less excited about an old one would be great.
I can create the doc and start populating it if people are on board with it, and then you two can add your own preferences (and keep updating as your interests evolve)?
I'm also happy to start putting snippets in Rheinsberg if we have agreement. I think there are enough of them that it makes sense to put them in separate posts and tag them, as opposed to one post behind cut tags. And of course, as time goes on, that number will only grow!
Hooray! I've nominated Fritz, Voltaire, MT and Lehndorff as agreed. Mind you, despite the fact I used the same tag I did last year for MT (to ensure she won't get mixed up with any other MTs of which there are alot), to wit, "Maria Theresia | Maria Theresa of Austria (Frederician RPF)", the sign up keeps throwing Maria Theresia (1767 - 1823) at me, which our MT decidedly is not. I never enter it, but when I review the sign up, it's there.
I also went ahead and nominated "18th Century CE European Enlightenment RPF" with Émilie, Pompadour, Hervey and Madame Denis; cahn, your turn!
fandom: 18th Century CE Frederician RPF character 1: Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen | Henry of Prussia (1726-1802) character 2: Catherine II of Russia character 3: Wilhelmine von Preußen | Wilhelmine of Prussia (1709-1758) character 4: Anna Amalie von Preußen | Anna Amalia of Prussia (1723-1787)
fandom: 18th Century CE Enlightenment RPF character 1: Lady Mary Wortley-Montagu character 2: Pierre Louis Moreau de Maupertuis character 3: Armand de Vignerot du Plessis de Richelieu (1696-1788) character 4: Francesco Algarotti
Also, I had to change some of the writeup for last year and I added a bunch of links to rheinsberg. Any more good relevant ones you want me to put in?
But someone else is going to have to write about how great Emilie is, because I tried briefly and I honestly don't know enough about the Enlightenment not to sound dumb doing it :P
FANDOM NAME: 18th Century CE Frederician RPF Content notes: Really abusive and dysfunctional family WHAT MAKES IT GREAT: Would you like a fandom with all kinds of canon slash tropes (mean abusive dad who might have been suppressing his own slashy tendencies, tragic love story with loyal best friend)? Would you like a fandom about a magnificent bastard royal figure who is a modernist and reformer (and very much into freedom of speech and religion) for his time but also likes to invade various territories for fun and profit? Would you like a fandom with interesting, layered female characters, including a woman who becomes Empress despite all of Europe thinking this is hilarious being that she's a WOMAN?
Let me introduce you to Frederick the Great / Friedrich II / "Fritz" fandom. Boy/adolescent Fritz is beaten and publicly humiliated by his father (Friedrich Wilhelm), and his boyfriend (Peter Keith) is deported when his father catches them. He falls in love again, and he and his new boyfriend (Hans Hermann von Katte) try to escape, but dad catches them and executes Katte -- and orders Fritz to watch (though evidence seems to show that Fritz was not in fact made to watch). Katte's last words are some variation on, "I die for you with joy in my heart!"
Fritz earns his freedom by marrying a woman (Elisabeth Christine), whom he sees... approximately once a year, for dinner. He eventually becomes king when his father dies, at which point he turns out to be pretty much a spectacularly magnificent bastard. On one hand, Voltaire reports on Fritz' liberal tendencies that he said, "In this country, there is freedom of conscience and penis." On the other hand, Fritz also goes around breaking treaties and invading people on paper-thin and/or really zero justification. Hilariously, he first writes the Anti-Machiavel, basically saying "You should definitely positively not break treaties and invade other people just because you can," and then a whole three months later invades Maria Theresia's province of Silesia, just because he can. (Later he tells his people to go look for a historical claim to Silesia, which they find.) Maria Theresia, meanwhile, fights three wars with Fritz, after which he gets to keep Silesia.
WHERE CAN I FIND IT? (optional): The best primer for this for a total beginner is probably selenak's primer on this as a TV show, complete with imagined fanon responses.selenak and mildred_of_midgard have been gracious enough to welcome me to their fandom by telling me all kinds of wacky stories about it. Much of these collected stories, synopses of various interesting bits about these characters, and various research can be found at rheinsberg (which I've linked to copiously in this post).
In haste: that is a great promo post! The mountains are calling, so it would be fabulous if Mildred could do the one for our enlightenment crowd (and their love triangles, quadrangles, and other geometric forms *g*). To get people curious about Émilie, I'd like maybe to some of the YouTube vids starring her, say, the trailer and excerpts from "The Marquise du Chatelet defends her life" which I've linked some posts ago, and I recall there is also a very useful YouTube link explaining why Émilie manages to unite both Newtonian and Leipniz ideas in her approach. Haven't yet looked for Lady Mary vids, but I bet there are some.
The reason I specifically ask is that you have the key Katte nomination, and this way if anyone else is thinking of nominating in the fandom, they will not have to repeat that nomination, and further will know that it's in the tag set before it comes out. Trying to maximize your chances of getting Katte fic! :)
(Apologies if you already did and my search-fu is not good enough.)
No, I didn't. It's on my list of things to do after work today. Reason I didn't do it yesterday: I got enough sleep yesterday and decided to do things that require more sleep and put off more mechanical things till today, on the assumption that I would not get enough sleep today, which proved to be an accurate prediction.
On that note, odds of me being up to an Enlightenment write-up today are slim. Sorry. :( But I will do the nomination coordination stuff, and put the Oster bio through the translator!
Man, I hope I get enough sleep to write Yuletide fic. The last time I had solid sleep was October of last year, right before Yuletide started. :/
Ugh, I'm sorry about the sleep! Take care of that first, of course. No big deal about an Enlightenment writeup, worst thing that happens is I write something that sounds super dumb and you guys edit it :)
I hope you get enough sleep to write Yuletide fic too!
worst thing that happens is I write something that sounds super dumb and you guys edit it :)
...You might have to do that!
Oster uploaded. Let me know if there are any problems accessing it. Lady Mary correspondence volumes 1-3 on their way to USPS, per tracking info updates. Yuletide nomination coordination done.
Reading of Wilhelmine, vol. 1, not quite finished, but hopefully before bed. Ugh, tired.
I hope you get enough sleep to write Yuletide fic too!
Fingers crossed! I should add that the bulk of RMSE writing happened in a brief period when I was getting adequate sleep, only during the day, and writing at night. Since that's not very lucrative, I've switched to being awake during the day, putting in as many hours at work as I can, and hoping my brain gets the message about sleeping at night sooner or later.
OK! I have to finish up some stuff for work tonight, but I'll try to do something along this line tomorrow if you don't get to it by then. (gah, one of these days I will actually say something coherent about the last part of Wives! Maybe.) Same with Oster, which I probably also won't get to tonight.
Hm. Do you think your body finds daytime a better time to sleep?
Thank you!! (Also, hmm, I just went to look for what we were naming this and morbane seems to think it's still too broad. I wonder if we should maybe even just go with "Francesco Algarotti's friends and lovers," lol. Mods don't have to know that this is still extremely broad Though since no one but us will have heard of Algarotti, I actually kind of wonder whether we should put Voltaire in the title (something like "Voltaire's friends" or "Two degrees from Voltaire"??) -- that way other people will be interested as well, and I think most of the people we are trying to nominate could be connected to him in some way?)
FANDOM NAME: whatever we end up naming it WHAT MAKES IT GREAT:
The Age of Enlightenment was a time in the 18th Century when philosophers and scientists got very excited about reason! science! liberty! and other such matters. [this is the bit that sounds dumb to me, please fix this]
There were some very interesting and cool people who were part of this movement. My favorite is Émilie du Châtelet, who was super awesome. She was Voltaire's lover, but she could run circles around him in terms of science and mathematical prowess. Her mathematics tutor wrote to a friend when he first began giving lessons to her and to Voltaire that she was 'altogether remarkable,' while he could not even make the other understand what mathematics was. She couldn't find a good textbook to teach her son physics, so she just wrote her own! She wrote a translation/analysis of Newton's Principia (and was correcting the proofs while recovering from childbirth, and sent them off a day before she died) that was so great that it is still the standard in France today.
She was part of a larger group of people who were also really interesting (though Émilie is my fave). [Depending on whether we're calling out the relationship to Voltaire] Voltaire is, of course, fascinating: he was always there for the underdog, although if you weren't an underdog you were likely to feel the sting of his pen! Francesco Algarotti was a polymath and dabbled in all kinds of different things, including having sex with... quite a lot of people! Including a love triangle with the writer Lady Mary Wortley Montagu and the politican and writer Lord Hervey (who also got embroiled in other political-sexual scandals related to the royal family).
Basically, this whole thing is a giant soap opera, with Émilie as the Mary Sue super-heroine, only she's actually real :D
WHERE CAN I FIND IT?(optional): I'll put in the clips here, as well as link to the rheinsberg post, but I need to sleep now so will do it tomorrow, or after we find a name for our fandom...
I did consider "Six Steps of Francesco Algarotti" as an alternative label. :) "Age of Voltaire" - which the Engligthenment is actually referred to in France - might do, BUT I've also just mustered a defense based on precedent and connection for the current label in my reply to Morbane, which also features cross connections for the characters we've nominated, check it out. :)
Do you think your body finds daytime a better time to sleep?
Somewhat, but I feel like that's the least of the problems. The biggest of my many sleep problems is that once my sleep gets disrupted, it stays disrupted for a very long time. Naturally, it also gets disrupted extremely easily. :/
I have to say, as much fun as it was being online at the same time, it's *way* better for my sleep for you not to be leaving comments right when I'm trying to go to bed. My willpower isn't that strong! Tell your kids they have my permission to stay up late. :P
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I was thinking about the possibility of putting the fic snippets on AO3 itself so that other people could read them :) (Oh come on, doesn't everyone want to read the outline of Fritz/Joseph marriagefic? OF COURSE THEY DO.) I was thinking maybe just one AO3 work, with each different snippet as a different chapter. Rheinsberg would work too, of course.
I'm for collecting all the prompts at a Rheinsberg post. Not sure about the round robin and fic snippets at the A03; for now, I'd rather see them also at Rheinsberg.
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For the list of prompts, I'm with
So a doc that all three of us could update as we got especially excited about an idea or less excited about an old one would be great.
I can create the doc and start populating it if people are on board with it, and then you two can add your own preferences (and keep updating as your interests evolve)?
I'm also happy to start putting snippets in Rheinsberg if we have agreement. I think there are enough of them that it makes sense to put them in separate posts and tag them, as opposed to one post behind cut tags. And of course, as time goes on, that number will only grow!
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Hans Hermann von Katte
Peter Karl Christoph von Keith
Michael Gabriel Fredersdorf
August Wilhelm von Preußen | Augustus William of Prussia (1722-1758)
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I also went ahead and nominated "18th Century CE European Enlightenment RPF" with Émilie, Pompadour, Hervey and Madame Denis;
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fandom: 18th Century CE Frederician RPF
character 1: Friedrich Heinrich Ludwig von Preußen | Henry of Prussia (1726-1802)
character 2: Catherine II of Russia
character 3: Wilhelmine von Preußen | Wilhelmine of Prussia (1709-1758)
character 4: Anna Amalie von Preußen | Anna Amalia of Prussia (1723-1787)
fandom: 18th Century CE Enlightenment RPF
character 1: Lady Mary Wortley-Montagu
character 2: Pierre Louis Moreau de Maupertuis
character 3: Armand de Vignerot du Plessis de Richelieu (1696-1788)
character 4: Francesco Algarotti
Also, I had to change some of the writeup for last year and I added a bunch of links to
But someone else is going to have to write about how great Emilie is, because I tried briefly and I honestly don't know enough about the Enlightenment not to sound dumb doing it :P
FANDOM NAME: 18th Century CE Frederician RPF
Content notes: Really abusive and dysfunctional family
WHAT MAKES IT GREAT: Would you like a fandom with all kinds of canon slash tropes (mean abusive dad who might have been suppressing his own slashy tendencies, tragic love story with loyal best friend)? Would you like a fandom about a magnificent bastard royal figure who is a modernist and reformer (and very much into freedom of speech and religion) for his time but also likes to invade various territories for fun and profit? Would you like a fandom with interesting, layered female characters, including a woman who becomes Empress despite all of Europe thinking this is hilarious being that she's a WOMAN?
Let me introduce you to Frederick the Great / Friedrich II / "Fritz" fandom. Boy/adolescent Fritz is beaten and publicly humiliated by his father (Friedrich Wilhelm), and his boyfriend (Peter Keith) is deported when his father catches them. He falls in love again, and he and his new boyfriend (Hans Hermann von Katte) try to escape, but dad catches them and executes Katte -- and orders Fritz to watch (though evidence seems to show that Fritz was not in fact made to watch). Katte's last words are some variation on, "I die for you with joy in my heart!"
Fritz earns his freedom by marrying a woman (Elisabeth Christine), whom he sees... approximately once a year, for dinner. He eventually becomes king when his father dies, at which point he turns out to be pretty much a spectacularly magnificent bastard. On one hand, Voltaire reports on Fritz' liberal tendencies that he said, "In this country, there is freedom of conscience and penis." On the other hand, Fritz also goes around breaking treaties and invading people on paper-thin and/or really zero justification. Hilariously, he first writes the Anti-Machiavel, basically saying "You should definitely positively not break treaties and invade other people just because you can," and then a whole three months later invades Maria Theresia's province of Silesia, just because he can. (Later he tells his people to go look for a historical claim to Silesia, which they find.) Maria Theresia, meanwhile, fights three wars with Fritz, after which he gets to keep Silesia.
On the family front, Fritz goes on to treat his brothers... in a way rather reminiscent of the way his father treated him. He doesn't execute anyone's lover, but after a bunch of emotional beating up of his brother August Wilhelm, August Wilhelm dies of what everyone else in the family -- except Fritz -- thinks is a broken heart. (It may have been porphyria.) Yeah, lots of dysfunctional family in this fandom.
And I haven't even gotten into the snarky Voltaire/Fritz frenemy ship, culminating in Voltaire trolling the world by fabricating mean stories about his ex which weren't realized to be fabrications for two hundred years! Or his brother Heinrich who had a love/hate relationship with Fritz and was BFF's with Catherine the Great!
WHERE CAN I FIND IT? (optional):
The best primer for this for a total beginner is probably
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The reason I specifically ask is that you have the key Katte nomination, and this way if anyone else is thinking of nominating in the fandom, they will not have to repeat that nomination, and further will know that it's in the tag set before it comes out. Trying to maximize your chances of getting Katte fic! :)
(Apologies if you already did and my search-fu is not good enough.)
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On that note, odds of me being up to an Enlightenment write-up today are slim. Sorry. :( But I will do the nomination coordination stuff, and put the Oster bio through the translator!
Man, I hope I get enough sleep to write Yuletide fic. The last time I had solid sleep was October of last year, right before Yuletide started. :/
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I hope you get enough sleep to write Yuletide fic too!
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...You might have to do that!
Oster uploaded. Let me know if there are any problems accessing it. Lady Mary correspondence volumes 1-3 on their way to USPS, per tracking info updates. Yuletide nomination coordination done.
Reading of Wilhelmine, vol. 1, not quite finished, but hopefully before bed. Ugh, tired.
I hope you get enough sleep to write Yuletide fic too!
Fingers crossed! I should add that the bulk of RMSE writing happened in a brief period when I was getting adequate sleep, only during the day, and writing at night. Since that's not very lucrative, I've switched to being awake during the day, putting in as many hours at work as I can, and hoping my brain gets the message about sleeping at night sooner or later.
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Hm. Do you think your body finds daytime a better time to sleep?
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Émilie du Chatelet: ca twelve minutes vid about Émilie and why she's cool, and
Clips from the play about her, "The Marquise du Chatelet defends her life tonight".
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(Also, hmm, I just went to look for what we were naming this and morbane seems to think it's still too broad. I wonder if we should maybe even just go with "Francesco Algarotti's friends and lovers," lol.
Mods don't have to know that this is still extremely broadThough since no one but us will have heard of Algarotti, I actually kind of wonder whether we should put Voltaire in the title (something like "Voltaire's friends" or "Two degrees from Voltaire"??) -- that way other people will be interested as well, and I think most of the people we are trying to nominate could be connected to him in some way?)FANDOM NAME: whatever we end up naming it
WHAT MAKES IT GREAT:
The Age of Enlightenment was a time in the 18th Century when philosophers and scientists got very excited about reason! science! liberty! and other such matters. [this is the bit that sounds dumb to me, please fix this]
There were some very interesting and cool people who were part of this movement. My favorite is Émilie du Châtelet, who was super awesome. She was Voltaire's lover, but she could run circles around him in terms of science and mathematical prowess. Her mathematics tutor wrote to a friend when he first began giving lessons to her and to Voltaire that she was 'altogether remarkable,' while he could not even make the other understand what mathematics was. She couldn't find a good textbook to teach her son physics, so she just wrote her own! She wrote a translation/analysis of Newton's Principia (and was correcting the proofs while recovering from childbirth, and sent them off a day before she died) that was so great that it is still the standard in France today.
She was part of a larger group of people who were also really interesting (though Émilie is my fave). [Depending on whether we're calling out the relationship to Voltaire] Voltaire is, of course, fascinating: he was always there for the underdog, although if you weren't an underdog you were likely to feel the sting of his pen! Francesco Algarotti was a polymath and dabbled in all kinds of different things, including having sex with... quite a lot of people! Including a love triangle with the writer Lady Mary Wortley Montagu and the politican and writer Lord Hervey (who also got embroiled in other political-sexual scandals related to the royal family).
Basically, this whole thing is a giant soap opera, with Émilie as the Mary Sue super-heroine, only she's actually real :D
WHERE CAN I FIND IT?(optional): I'll put in the clips here, as well as link to the rheinsberg post, but I need to sleep now so will do it tomorrow, or after we find a name for our fandom...
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Somewhat, but I feel like that's the least of the problems. The biggest of my many sleep problems is that once my sleep gets disrupted, it stays disrupted for a very long time. Naturally, it also gets disrupted extremely easily. :/
I have to say, as much fun as it was being online at the same time, it's *way* better for my sleep for you not to be leaving comments right when I'm trying to go to bed. My willpower isn't that strong! Tell your kids they have my permission to stay up late. :P
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