Her doctors should have pushed that loop of bowel back inside and hoped that the hole would heal, but instead they made a terrible error. They cut it off. Now Caroline’s digestive system was destroyed, and she took ten days to die.
EEK. Ow ow ow. That... is not a way I'd like to die. (I mean, I suppose there aren't really good ways to die, but this seems like a particularly bad one.) Exhibit seventeen thousand or so on Why I Am Glad I Don't Live Then.
Wikipedia: "Over the next few days she was bled, purged, and operated on, without anaesthetic, but there was no improvement in her condition." Uh-huh.
"My dear Lord," replied the Queen, ' " I will give it you under my hand, if you are in any fear of my relapsing, that my dear first-born is the greatest ass and the greatest liar, and the greatest canaille, and the greatest beast in the whole world, and I that I most heartily wish he was out of it."
Maaaaan :( IDK, someone here is really awful. Not sure whether it's Hervey or Caroline or both, but... yeah.
In the first place, I am sick to death of hearing of his great courage every day of my life ; in the next place, one thinks now of Mama, and not of him.
Ahahahaha this... makes me like Princess Emily more rather than less :P I vote this Princess Emily and Princess Amalie of Prussia should get together!
I'm almost starting to come around to Fritz' pov on Hannover versus Hohenzollern, but luckily your Ziebura read through reminds me this would be wrong.
LOL
What he thought and said of the King of Prussia was much the same as what the King of Prussia thought and said of him ; that he was a proud, brutal, tyrannical, wrong-headed, impracticable fellow, who loved nobody and would use everybody ill that was in his power. How far these two Kings were in the right in this point, or how little they were so in every other, is not my business here to determine.
HAHAHAHA okay, Hervey, you get points for this, this is hilarious.
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Every time someone thinks that just because history is a passion of mine, I'd want to live in the past (any past), I can only conclude that someone knows nothing of history, verily.
Maaaaan :( IDK, someone here is really awful. Not sure whether it's Hervey or Caroline or both, but... yeah.
Granted, Caroline's mother totally neglected her so she had to learn how to read and write by herself when she was 10 until Sophie Charlotte got a hold on her, and Hervey's mother did a turnaround from "my favourite child" to "you scum of the Earth" which his biographer can't explain other than note it starts with his marriage, so the constant "Fritz of Wales is worse than Tiberius and Nero put together and I wish he was dead" outbursts coupled with "that ungrateful beast, I'm sure he wants me dead, how monstrous is that?" happen with that emotional background. (Plus Hervey quotes her as saying, which I included already in my write up of the Halsband biography, that she wishes Hervey was her son and that evil FoW had Hervey's horrible mother; the writers of the "Hephaistion and Alexander: Hervey and FoW" essay think all the constant harping on Hervey as the alternate son is stretching things a bit, since he was only 13 years younger than Caroline. But imo it's still possible that they fulfilled that emotional need for each other, and it's noticable that Caroline's actual other son and fave, future Billy the Butcher, Duke of Cumberland, gets next to no page time in these memoirs. He's at her death bed in one scene and gets told he's her sole hope for the British future, and there's just one mention elsewhere when both Hervey and the editor in footnotes discuss the periodically raised and abandoned idea of splitting Hannover and Great Britain up again so Billy the Butcher can inherit one of the two. But that's it. Methinks whatever is true of Caroline, I wouldn't be surprised if Hervey did come to see her as a replacement mother and that this provided him with additoinal ire fuel against Fritz of Wales. (Cumberland he couldn't rationally object to since he hadn't done anything at that point when Hervey writes, so he just edits him out as much as he can.)
Mind you, courtesy of Victorian editor Croker's footnotes, I got reminded again that G2 and Caroline for the first time considered the Britain/Hannover split when FoW really hadn't done anything yet they could object to but lived his parentless life in Hannover. They really wanted English born Bill for King, and if that was absolutely impossible, then they wanted him to have Hannover. So by the time Fritz of Wales rejoined the family in Britain as an adult, he already knew his parents very much prefered the younger brother he didn't even know. Incidentally, the reason why G2 and Caroline eventually didn't go through with this idea is one Hervey has himself pointing out to them - the Elector of Hannover is a prince of the HRE, which means the succession can only be altered with the Emperor's consent as well as the consent of the two princes in question (remember, this came up as to why FW couldn't change the succession without Fritz agreeing to it), and, speculates Hervey, the Emperor won't want to, because as long as the King of GB is also the Elector of Hannover, it means that Britain as a state is beholden to him.
(Sidenote: could be that MT's Dad was thinking that, but as we know, it didn't work out that way once G2's government teamed up with Fritz in 1756...)
I vote this Princess Emily and Princess Amalie of Prussia should get together!
They certainly would have had things in common. When reading this passage, I also rolled my eyes at Hervey none too subtly complaining he'd had to play the perfect courtier for G2 despite being worn out and exhausted from attending Caroline, yet otoh writing the story to demonstrate Emily's "falseness" towards her father. Of course, Emily isn't saying this to G2's face, any more than Amalie would say something like this to Fritz, for all her famous bluntness. You don't do that towards the person who has the power to lock you up in a heartbeat, or at the very least deprive you of income and all creature comforts.
Hervey on G2 and FW really was a goldmine of quotable lines. Never mind Zeithain and FW meeting August(us) the Strong, the summit we want to see is FW and G2 as adults clashing as a spectacle to all and sunder.
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Methinks whatever is true of Caroline, I wouldn't be surprised if Hervey did come to see her as a replacement mother and that this provided him with additoinal ire fuel against Fritz of Wales.
*nods* That makes sense.
(Cumberland he couldn't rationally object to since he hadn't done anything at that point when Hervey writes, so he just edits him out as much as he can.)
Hee! Yeah, that makes sense too.
But, right, also given the circumstances I can see G2 and Caroline not really having parental feelings for Fritz of Wales, and not really seeing him as a kid of theirs, so any insults, etc. maybe didn't really register to them as all that bad (and then, as you pointed out earlier, there's the part where Caroline didn't exactly have good role models to begin with).
I also rolled my eyes at Hervey none too subtly complaining he'd had to play the perfect courtier for G2 despite being worn out and exhausted from attending Caroline, yet otoh writing the story to demonstrate Emily's "falseness" towards her father.
Ha! I didn't quite get there (I mostly just thought she had a point, lol) so I'm glad you pointed that out :)
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EEK. Ow ow ow. That... is not a way I'd like to die. (I mean, I suppose there aren't really good ways to die, but this seems like a particularly bad one.) Exhibit seventeen thousand or so on Why I Am Glad I Don't Live Then.
Wikipedia: "Over the next few days she was bled, purged, and operated on, without anaesthetic, but there was no improvement in her condition." Uh-huh.
"My dear Lord," replied the Queen, ' " I will give it you under my hand, if you are in any fear of my relapsing, that my dear first-born is the greatest ass and the greatest liar, and the greatest canaille, and the greatest beast in the whole world, and I that I most heartily wish he was out of it."
Maaaaan :( IDK, someone here is really awful. Not sure whether it's Hervey or Caroline or both, but... yeah.
In the first place, I am sick to death of hearing of his great courage every day of my life ; in the next place, one thinks now of Mama, and not of him.
Ahahahaha this... makes me like Princess Emily more rather than less :P I vote this Princess Emily and Princess Amalie of Prussia should get together!
I'm almost starting to come around to Fritz' pov on Hannover versus Hohenzollern, but luckily your Ziebura read through reminds me this would be wrong.
LOL
What he thought and said of the King of Prussia was much the same as what the King of Prussia thought and said of him ; that he was a proud, brutal, tyrannical, wrong-headed, impracticable fellow, who loved nobody and would use everybody ill that was in his power. How far these two Kings were in the right in this point, or how little they were so in every other, is not my business here to determine.
HAHAHAHA okay, Hervey, you get points for this, this is hilarious.
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Maaaaan :( IDK, someone here is really awful. Not sure whether it's Hervey or Caroline or both, but... yeah.
Granted, Caroline's mother totally neglected her so she had to learn how to read and write by herself when she was 10 until Sophie Charlotte got a hold on her, and Hervey's mother did a turnaround from "my favourite child" to "you scum of the Earth" which his biographer can't explain other than note it starts with his marriage, so the constant "Fritz of Wales is worse than Tiberius and Nero put together and I wish he was dead" outbursts coupled with "that ungrateful beast, I'm sure he wants me dead, how monstrous is that?" happen with that emotional background. (Plus Hervey quotes her as saying, which I included already in my write up of the Halsband biography, that she wishes Hervey was her son and that evil FoW had Hervey's horrible mother; the writers of the "Hephaistion and Alexander: Hervey and FoW" essay think all the constant harping on Hervey as the alternate son is stretching things a bit, since he was only 13 years younger than Caroline. But imo it's still possible that they fulfilled that emotional need for each other, and it's noticable that Caroline's actual other son and fave, future Billy the Butcher, Duke of Cumberland, gets next to no page time in these memoirs. He's at her death bed in one scene and gets told he's her sole hope for the British future, and there's just one mention elsewhere when both Hervey and the editor in footnotes discuss the periodically raised and abandoned idea of splitting Hannover and Great Britain up again so Billy the Butcher can inherit one of the two. But that's it. Methinks whatever is true of Caroline, I wouldn't be surprised if Hervey did come to see her as a replacement mother and that this provided him with additoinal ire fuel against Fritz of Wales. (Cumberland he couldn't rationally object to since he hadn't done anything at that point when Hervey writes, so he just edits him out as much as he can.)
Mind you, courtesy of Victorian editor Croker's footnotes, I got reminded again that G2 and Caroline for the first time considered the Britain/Hannover split when FoW really hadn't done anything yet they could object to but lived his parentless life in Hannover. They really wanted English born Bill for King, and if that was absolutely impossible, then they wanted him to have Hannover. So by the time Fritz of Wales rejoined the family in Britain as an adult, he already knew his parents very much prefered the younger brother he didn't even know. Incidentally, the reason why G2 and Caroline eventually didn't go through with this idea is one Hervey has himself pointing out to them - the Elector of Hannover is a prince of the HRE, which means the succession can only be altered with the Emperor's consent as well as the consent of the two princes in question (remember, this came up as to why FW couldn't change the succession without Fritz agreeing to it), and, speculates Hervey, the Emperor won't want to, because as long as the King of GB is also the Elector of Hannover, it means that Britain as a state is beholden to him.
(Sidenote: could be that MT's Dad was thinking that, but as we know, it didn't work out that way once G2's government teamed up with Fritz in 1756...)
I vote this Princess Emily and Princess Amalie of Prussia should get together!
They certainly would have had things in common. When reading this passage, I also rolled my eyes at Hervey none too subtly complaining he'd had to play the perfect courtier for G2 despite being worn out and exhausted from attending Caroline, yet otoh writing the story to demonstrate Emily's "falseness" towards her father. Of course, Emily isn't saying this to G2's face, any more than Amalie would say something like this to Fritz, for all her famous bluntness. You don't do that towards the person who has the power to lock you up in a heartbeat, or at the very least deprive you of income and all creature comforts.
Hervey on G2 and FW really was a goldmine of quotable lines. Never mind Zeithain and FW meeting August(us) the Strong, the summit we want to see is FW and G2 as adults clashing as a spectacle to all and sunder.
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(Sidenote: could be that MT's Dad was thinking that, but as we know, it didn't work out that way once G2's government teamed up with Fritz in 1756...)
Yeeeeahh. Turns out the Elector of Brandenburg wasn't all that beholden in 1740, and even in the 1730s, only sort of! (Ask Stanislaus.)
the summit we want to see is FW and G2 as adults clashing as a spectacle to all and sunder.
Would pay for tickets. Would bring popcorn.
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*nods* That makes sense.
(Cumberland he couldn't rationally object to since he hadn't done anything at that point when Hervey writes, so he just edits him out as much as he can.)
Hee! Yeah, that makes sense too.
But, right, also given the circumstances I can see G2 and Caroline not really having parental feelings for Fritz of Wales, and not really seeing him as a kid of theirs, so any insults, etc. maybe didn't really register to them as all that bad (and then, as you pointed out earlier, there's the part where Caroline didn't exactly have good role models to begin with).
I also rolled my eyes at Hervey none too subtly complaining he'd had to play the perfect courtier for G2 despite being worn out and exhausted from attending Caroline, yet otoh writing the story to demonstrate Emily's "falseness" towards her father.
Ha! I didn't quite get there (I mostly just thought she had a point, lol) so I'm glad you pointed that out :)