Okay, I'm not crazy! Wives has the same thing I remember reading in AW: immediately after he dies, Ziebura reports that Louise and EC are delighted because they get a visit from their mother, and that EC gets to see Sanssouci as a result. Only, in Wives, Ziebura goes on to say: "This time, EC had a better opportunity to see the palace and gardens up close than on her trip to Magdeburg."
Wives:
Amalie, die ihren Kampf verloren und das schreckliche Sterben ihres lieben Bruders, ohne von seinem Lager zu weichen, miterlebt hatte, schrieb an den König: Ich habe einen Bruder sterben sehen, an des sen Stelle ich lieber selbst gestorben wäre. Sie war nun am Ende ihrer Kräfte und fuhr, noch vor der Beisetzung des Prinzen von Preußen im Berliner Dom, zu ihrer Schwester Sophie nach Schwedt.
Die Königin bereitete dagegen voller Freude mit ihren beiden Schwestern Christine und Therese alles für den Empfang ihrer Mutter, der verwitweten Herzogin von Braunschweig -Wolfenbüttel, in Schönhausen vor. Lehndorff bewunderte, wie sie es schaffte, in dem kleinen Schloss die ganze Familie mit Luise Amalie unterzubringen Luise hatte ihre Mutter seit ihrer Hochzeit nicht mehr gesehen. Für sie wie für Elisabeth Christine war es trotz allem Kummer eine große Freude, mit ihr und den jüngeren Schwestern in Schönhausen ein paar Wochen verleben zu können. Auf dem Rückweg fuhr die Königin mit ihnen nach Potsdam. Diesmal hatte Elisabeth Christine bessere Gelegenheit, sich Schloss und Garten von Sanssouci näher anzusehen, als auf ihrer Reise nach Magdeburg.
If this is correct, then the 1757 trip to Magdeburg was her first but not her only visit to Sanssouci.
AW:
Oh, this is interesting, in the AW volume, Ziebura does say it was EC's first visit:
Auf Bitten der Königin erlaubte er es der Herzogin-Witwe von Braunschweig, nach Berlin zu kommen, um ihrer schwangeren Tochter beizustehen. Louise Amalie hatte ebenso wie ihre Schwester seit ihrer Heirat im Jahr 1742 ihre Mutter nicht mehr gesehen. Die Freude über ihren Besuch, sowie die schönen Wochen, die die braunschweigischen Schwestern zusammen mit ihr in Schönhausen verleben konnten, linderten die Trauer über den Verlust ihres Gatten. Auf der Rückreise nach Braunschweig be gleitete die Königin ihre Mutter zusammen mit ihrem Kammerherrn Lehndorff bis Potsdam. Dabei hatte Elisabeth Christine zum ersten Mal Gelegenheit, das Schloss ihres Gatten zu sehen.
That's why I initially thought it was a different palace in Potsdam, because I knew she'd first seen Sanssouci thanks to the Queen of Hungary. But Ziebura must have realized that after writing the AW book. I'm not crazy, woohoo! (Though I did misremember the date. So many evacuations!)
This is as far as I've gotten. Plus what I read in Wilhelmine's memoirs, that's about 20 pages of German practice.
Wilhelmine digression: women are sleeping with influential men to get state secrets out of them so the women can pass the secrets onto French Count Rottembourg! That's so cool that I know who that is and what he's up to (and that Fritz was doing the same thing using Peter Keith's future father-in-law as a go-between). So many names that didn't mean anything to me the first time through her memoirs. And now I write fic about these people. :D (Still haven't given up hope on fix-it fic. Learning German is just fic research!)
* And now Manteuffel is scheming! I knew I wanted to reread these memoirs.
Next year's Yuletide: 18th century European envoys. :D
Seckendorff, Suhm, Manteuffel, Andrew Mitchell, Dickens, Hotham, Lovenorn and/or Johnn, George Keith, Algarotti, Charles Williams, Poniatowski, French Rottembourg, Prussian Rothenburg, Valori, Lynar, Hoym, Podewils...you could make a whole fandom out of these people!
Peter Keith's son...
* Fritz is burning documents pertaining to the plot against his life as soon as he becomes king. Every time I find Catt echoing Wilhelmine on something, I start to think that *maybe* he got that from Fritz. Of course, maybe Fritz mentioned destroying some unspecified documents after he became king, and Catt decided it was the famous 1730 episode, and not this obscure thing that only Wilhelmine's heard of.
* Huh. Wilhelmine says Fritz "adhered to good principles as long as Duhan was with him and had any influence over him." I feel like Duhan stopped being the official tutor when Keyserlingk and Rochow got appointed his governors, which I think was around the age of 16. I.e. around the time he starts taking an inappropriate interest in his father's pages and up-to-no-good lieutenants, in Wilhelmine's view. Considering that she isn't a fan of Keyserlingk, as I recall, and she blames Keith and Katte as bad influences on Fritz instead of the other way around, I wonder if she's trying to explain Fritz's sudden interest in people who were not her young men with reference to Duhan's good influence being removed.
* It is most definitely the case that Wilhelmine is harder than Ziebura for me because I already know the content in Ziebura, so once I recognize the vocab, I know who did what to whom. Whereas with Wilhelmine, I have to stop and figure that out. I feel like vocab and syntax are reasonably similar, but I struggle more with Wilhelmine. But I'm getting there!
you could make a whole fandom out of these people!
You could indeed, though if we do it, then the British envoy to Naples must be included. (Aka Sir William Hamilton.)
I wonder if she's trying to explain Fritz's sudden interest in people who were not her young men with reference to Duhan's good influence being removed.
Probably, both to herself and to others. I mean, for all that she never finished the memoirs but just stopped writing them mid visit with the odious Stuttgart in laws, she didn't destroy them, either. At some level, she must have wanted them read, whether by future family members or by a wider readership. In either case, it's easier to write "Duhan's good influence was gone" then "and then he started to fancy guys instead of me".
Struggling more Wilhelmine is normal: it's first person narration in a somewhat more old fashioned style, for all that it's a translation.
Manteuffel: I forgot to say that since she's writing about him being around when she was young, I wonder if he's the one she was thinking of, not Suhm, that she and Fritz used to call Diablotin. She obviously doesn't remember for sure that they called Suhm Diablotin, and *everyone* has a devil nickname for Manteuffel, for obvious reasons.
On the other hand! Maybe Manteuffel was Diable, and his very short successor was Diablotin. That actually makes sense.
(I still like Diaphanes better, especially my headcanon of it.)
Today's update: I've read as far as Ferdinand spreading rumors about Mina and the prince of Nassau.
Behind on comments, but I just want to say: go Amalie of the medical interests ruining everyone's appetites at dinner! I've been guilty of that myself. :D
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Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough - AW dies
Wives:
Amalie, die ihren Kampf verloren und das schreckliche Sterben ihres lieben Bruders, ohne von seinem Lager zu weichen, miterlebt hatte, schrieb an den König: Ich habe einen Bruder sterben sehen, an des sen Stelle ich lieber selbst gestorben wäre. Sie war nun am Ende ihrer Kräfte und fuhr, noch vor der Beisetzung des Prinzen von Preußen im Berliner Dom, zu ihrer Schwester Sophie nach Schwedt.
Die Königin bereitete dagegen voller Freude mit ihren beiden Schwestern Christine und Therese alles für den Empfang ihrer Mutter, der verwitweten Herzogin von Braunschweig -Wolfenbüttel, in Schönhausen vor. Lehndorff bewunderte, wie sie es schaffte, in dem kleinen Schloss die ganze Familie mit Luise Amalie unterzubringen Luise hatte ihre Mutter seit ihrer Hochzeit nicht mehr gesehen. Für sie wie für Elisabeth Christine war es trotz allem Kummer eine große Freude, mit ihr und den jüngeren Schwestern in Schönhausen ein paar Wochen verleben zu können. Auf dem Rückweg fuhr die Königin mit ihnen nach Potsdam. Diesmal hatte Elisabeth Christine bessere Gelegenheit, sich Schloss und Garten von Sanssouci näher anzusehen, als auf ihrer Reise nach Magdeburg.
If this is correct, then the 1757 trip to Magdeburg was her first but not her only visit to Sanssouci.
AW:
Oh, this is interesting, in the AW volume, Ziebura does say it was EC's first visit:
Auf Bitten der Königin erlaubte er es der Herzogin-Witwe von Braunschweig, nach Berlin zu kommen, um ihrer schwangeren Tochter beizustehen. Louise Amalie hatte ebenso wie ihre Schwester seit ihrer Heirat im Jahr 1742 ihre Mutter nicht mehr gesehen. Die Freude über ihren Besuch, sowie die schönen Wochen, die die braunschweigischen Schwestern zusammen mit ihr in Schönhausen verleben konnten, linderten die Trauer über den Verlust ihres Gatten. Auf der Rückreise nach Braunschweig be gleitete die Königin ihre Mutter zusammen mit ihrem Kammerherrn Lehndorff bis Potsdam. Dabei hatte Elisabeth Christine zum ersten Mal Gelegenheit, das Schloss ihres Gatten zu sehen.
That's why I initially thought it was a different palace in Potsdam, because I knew she'd first seen Sanssouci thanks to the Queen of Hungary. But Ziebura must have realized that after writing the AW book. I'm not crazy, woohoo! (Though I did misremember the date. So many evacuations!)
This is as far as I've gotten. Plus what I read in Wilhelmine's memoirs, that's about 20 pages of German practice.
Wilhelmine digression: women are sleeping with influential men to get state secrets out of them so the women can pass the secrets onto French Count Rottembourg! That's so cool that I know who that is and what he's up to (and that Fritz was doing the same thing using Peter Keith's future father-in-law as a go-between). So many names that didn't mean anything to me the first time through her memoirs. And now I write fic about these people. :D (Still haven't given up hope on fix-it fic. Learning German is just fic research!)
Wilhelmine
Next year's Yuletide: 18th century European envoys. :D
Seckendorff, Suhm, Manteuffel, Andrew Mitchell, Dickens, Hotham, Lovenorn and/or Johnn, George Keith, Algarotti, Charles Williams, Poniatowski, French Rottembourg, Prussian Rothenburg, Valori, Lynar, Hoym, Podewils...you could make a whole fandom out of these people!
Peter Keith's son...
* Fritz is burning documents pertaining to the plot against his life as soon as he becomes king. Every time I find Catt echoing Wilhelmine on something, I start to think that *maybe* he got that from Fritz. Of course, maybe Fritz mentioned destroying some unspecified documents after he became king, and Catt decided it was the famous 1730 episode, and not this obscure thing that only Wilhelmine's heard of.
* Huh. Wilhelmine says Fritz "adhered to good principles as long as Duhan was with him and had any influence over him." I feel like Duhan stopped being the official tutor when Keyserlingk and Rochow got appointed his governors, which I think was around the age of 16. I.e. around the time he starts taking an inappropriate interest in his father's pages and up-to-no-good lieutenants, in Wilhelmine's view. Considering that she isn't a fan of Keyserlingk, as I recall, and she blames Keith and Katte as bad influences on Fritz instead of the other way around, I wonder if she's trying to explain Fritz's sudden interest in
people who were not heryoung men with reference to Duhan's good influence being removed.* It is most definitely the case that Wilhelmine is harder than Ziebura for me because I already know the content in Ziebura, so once I recognize the vocab, I know who did what to whom. Whereas with Wilhelmine, I have to stop and figure that out. I feel like vocab and syntax are reasonably similar, but I struggle more with Wilhelmine. But I'm getting there!
Re: Wilhelmine
You could indeed, though if we do it, then the British envoy to Naples must be included. (Aka Sir William Hamilton.)
I wonder if she's trying to explain Fritz's sudden interest in
people who were not heryoung men with reference to Duhan's good influence being removed.Probably, both to herself and to others. I mean, for all that she never finished the memoirs but just stopped writing them mid visit with the odious Stuttgart in laws, she didn't destroy them, either. At some level, she must have wanted them read, whether by future family members or by a wider readership. In either case, it's easier to write "Duhan's good influence was gone" then "and then he started to fancy guys
instead of me".Struggling more Wilhelmine is normal: it's first person narration in a somewhat more old fashioned style, for all that it's a translation.
Re: Wilhelmine
On the other hand! Maybe Manteuffel was Diable, and his very short successor was Diablotin. That actually makes sense.
(I still like Diaphanes better, especially my headcanon of it.)
Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough - AW dies
Behind on comments, but I just want to say: go Amalie of the medical interests ruining everyone's appetites at dinner! I've been guilty of that myself. :D
Re: No Pity for the Wives readthrough - AW dies