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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2020-07-14 09:12 pm
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Frederick the Great, discussion post 16

We have slowed down a lot, but are still (sporadically) going! And somehow filled up the last post while I wasn't looking!

...I was asked to start a new thread so that STDs could be discussed. Really! :D
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Re: With You, There's a Heaven - Suhm

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2020-08-17 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
The conversation would indeed be lively! And let's not forget French Comte Rottembourg, BFF of Katte and conspirator to overthrow FW and put Fritz on the throne at the age of 14! (Man, he must have been upset in 1730.)
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Re: With You, There's a Heaven - Suhm

[personal profile] selenak 2020-08-18 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Wasn't he also the Biche donator? Or was that German Rothenburg? Anyway, yes, him, too.

Valory to Rottembourg: Granted, I only met him once he was on the throne, but seriously? I shudder to think what he'd have been like with absolute power at age 14!

All the Ambassadors from FW's era except Seckendorf: But he's so sensitive, so smart, so abused! We want to adopt him and cherish him!

Seckendorf: ...yeah, well, no. Some cash, that's as far as I'm willing to go, and will I get any thanks for it? No. First he bitches about me in "History of the House of Brandenburg", and then he kidnaps me in my retirement. All just because I ensured he didn't get married to an English princess, which, given the rest of his life, really, what's the problem there?

All the Ambassadors from Fritz' era except Charles Williams: Okay, he is very charming when first you meet him, but then you better be up for verbal fencing, and good lord, that poetry.

Charles Williams (pre 1756): He sucks. Listen to me, young Stanislav: that man's an overrated asshole.
Charles Williams (1756): I'm entering the third stage of syphilis and also Prussia has just become our ally. I therefore turn my opinion on the King of Prussia around by 180 degrees and declare him a total genius and wonderful. I even kiss his portrait.

Stanislav Poniatowski: You're breaking my heart!
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Re: Ambassadors

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2020-08-19 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, we've met him as the Chevalier Williams and Hanbury-Williams. I haven't read the other Charles Williams, but I'm enough of a Tolkienist that that's where my mind immediately went too! (I've read Humphrey Carpenter's The Inklings, which is where most of my indirect knowledge of him comes from.)
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Ambassadors

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2020-08-19 04:59 am (UTC)(link)
Wasn't he also the Biche donator? Or was that German Rothenburg? Anyway, yes, him, too.

German Rothenburg. But yes.

Valory to Rottembourg: Granted, I only met him once he was on the throne, but seriously? I shudder to think what he'd have been like with absolute power at age 14!

Less abused! Everyone wins! (Except maybe the French, who aren't going to get anything like the gratitude or dependence they expect, but hey, you can't win them all.)

All the Ambassadors from FW's era except Seckendorf: But he's so sensitive, so smart, so abused! We want to adopt him and cherish him!

Suhm: Adopt! Right, yes, that's what I want to do with him.

:P

(At least for the later stages of the FW era. I would never accuse Suhm of anything inappropriate. The earliest evidence we have of friendship is with the 16-yo, and romantic leanings the 24-yo.)

All just because I ensured he didn't get married to an English princess, which, given the rest of his life, really, what's the problem there?

Lol. But the escaping to Hanover, where FW is not!

Charles Williams (1756): I'm entering the third stage of syphilis and also Prussia has just become our ally. I therefore turn my opinion on the King of Prussia around by 180 degrees and declare him a total genius and wonderful. I even kiss his portrait.

Third stage of syphilis, LOL forever. The envoys keep it interesting!