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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2020-03-07 07:17 am
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Frederick the Great discussion post 13

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Re: Count Rothenburg (the French one)

[personal profile] selenak 2020-03-28 02:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I was hoping to leave her Sonsine, and Sonsine talks her into the marriage as a prospect for a brighter future as opposed to nihilism.

*nods*

Yes, that makes sense. Same with:

also, her fiancé seemed willing to let her off the hook rather than make her unhappy. So I think maybe we're okay there.

Absolutely, and don't forget, Bayreuth Friedrich's mother was locked up by his Dad for adultery for years and years and until she was allowed to leave for Scandinavian shores (being a born Schleswig-Holstein). He was himself the product of a miserable marriage, and I can well imagine that not only did he have sympathy for Wilhelmine's situation but the one thing he did not want was to be like Dad (and FW) and put a woman in a cage. Incidentally, I'd have to look up the exact dates, but I think he might have been on the Grand Tour and canonically in France in 1730/1731, since his father had to command him back so he could marry Wilhelmine. Said father the old Margrave won't be happy since he's missing out of the dowry that FW of the filled treasure has promised, but a) who cares about him, and b) in rl, FW made Wilhelmine sign a contract that she resigns her claims on her mother's inheritance before he gave her anything. It occurs to me that he may not do that in the AU where he's really in a hurry to marry her off, so she would have some claims to Hannover money later (useful!).

Duhan: a great candidate for keeping Fritz company! He does indeed have practice.

Man, FW is going to be So. Mad. Does he actually invade Alsace? :P

FW: YES!
Grumbkow: Boss, I'm totally with you, don't get me wrong, but: couldn't we maybe not start a war with France on our own when it's just cheaper to coordinate our efforts with the Emperor?

FW: ???

Grumbkow: Seeing as the war of Polish Succession is approaching and you're going to be called for duty anyway. Just think of it. You can avenge yourself on the perfidious French AND show that you're the best Elector in the HRE at the same time! Also, no trouble with all the other principalities through whose territory we could have to march in order to invade France on our lonesome. Just think of the saved expense! The treasury! The possible new hirings of tall men!

FW: BUT THAT WRETCHED BOY AND IS HIS SISTER AND THEIR BOYFRIEND ARE LAUGHING AT ME NOW!!!!!!

Grumbkow: I hate to bring this up, but they'll laugh even more if we end up fighting a three front war as the result of all that invading while they are safely God knows who. I mean, who does that? Trut me, Boss: serve the vengeance on the French just a bit later, and in the meantime, think of how Prussia will finally get the Crown Prince it deserves, while undoubtedly the former one will be broke in a matter of months, him and Rothembourg both. I mean, you know how he is. And with his sister and the former Lieutenant encouraging him to spend money? He'll gamble away the Rothembourg estates, mark my words, and you'll have last laugh.

FW: ....I still want vengeance NOW, but I suppose the Almighty wills it otherwise. There might be truth in your words. I will postpone my scouring of the Alsace.
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Re: Count Rothenburg (the French one)

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2020-03-29 07:54 am (UTC)(link)
a) who cares about him

Wilhelmine: Not me!

It occurs to me that he may not do that in the AU where he's really in a hurry to marry her off, so she would have some claims to Hannover money later (useful!).

That *is* useful. Historical beta FTW. \o/ Thank you!

if we end up fighting a three front war as the result of all that invading while they are safely God knows who. I mean, who does that?

*snort*

Fritz: No one in this AU. We're all Ravenclaws here.
Me: Fix *all* the things!

while undoubtedly the former one will be broke in a matter of months, him and Rothembourg both. I mean, you know how he is. And with his sister and the former Lieutenant encouraging him to spend money? He'll gamble away the Rothembourg estates, mark my words, and you'll have last laugh.

Hahaha, well, Grumbkow, you reckon without the author and one major plot point she didn't mention: post-adoption Rothembourg banging his head against teaching Fritz responsible money management without triggering his authority figure PTSD issues, and eventually finding a way. Laugh's on you, Grumbkow and FW! :D

I have to say, I laughed out loud at Grumbkow's "it's just cheaper" argument, and it just got better as he kept developing that theme. "The possible new hirings of tall men!"

THAT WRETCHED BOY AND HIS SISTER AND THEIR BOYFRIEND

HAHAHAHAHA. Idk if I'm going as far as ménage à trois with Wilhelmine (definitely a Fritz/Katte/Keith ménage à trois--Katte and Keith bond on their quest for Fritz), but 1) FW would think so, yup, 2) once the siblings are away from him and his attempts to separate them, I think Wilhelmine might warm up to her brother's boyfriends eventually. Especially with Katte making a concerted effort to get on her good side.

Also, I just have to share one more Google map screenshot with you guys, especially in light of the most recent AO3 fic:



Finally: wonderful use of Fritz/Wilhelmine icon, [personal profile] selenak! <3
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Re: Count Rothenburg (the French one)

[personal profile] selenak 2020-03-29 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
All the Ravenclaws, aw. :)

(Heinrich: does that mean this is the AU where I end up in Slytherin without Fritz as my warning example?
Self: Could be. Could also be, otoh, that this is the AU where you hero worship him from afar as the legendary cool older brother who got away! He's your role model (in the non-screwed up sense)!)

And hey, Cirey is way closer than Straßburg. So a cameo is entirely possible. Doesn't Emily have kids Duhan could teach?
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Re: Count Rothenburg (the French one)

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2020-03-30 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
(Heinrich: does that mean this is the AU where I end up in Slytherin without Fritz as my warning example?

Self: Could be. Could also be, otoh, that this is the AU where you hero worship him from afar as the legendary cool older brother who got away! He's your role model (in the non-screwed up sense)!)


Either works for me! Since it's a fix-it-for-everyone fic, maybe the latter. :P He and AW can hang out and be chill together, and he ends up as advisor to his beloved older brother.

And hey, Cirey is way closer than Straßburg. So a cameo is entirely possible. Doesn't Emily have kids Duhan could teach?

Ooh, I like it! No kids of teachable age until the latter part of the 1730s, and I don't think she and Voltaire start renovating Cirey until the mid 1730s, but depending on how far in the future this fic goes (and it has to go at least to a Grand Tour in the 1730s), we could end up seeing a visit to or from Cirey. And I have actually been thinking of looking for a more long-term position for Duhan.