Re: Colonel v. Pannewitz - with the caveat that they were probably multiple Pannewitz just like there were a lot of Kattes, Wartenslebens and Schulenburgs, could this be the husband of the future FW puncher? If so, she might have socalizied with Katte, and we're free to imagine she didn't just punch FW on her own behalf.
I'm iffy on where exactly the border would have been in 1730.
I'm iffy, too, but given that Louis XIV did some massive invasions and wars in his time into various German principalities, most of all the Palatinate using poor Liselotte as an excuse, who hated this and wrote furious and heartbroken letters about it - which is why you see the German eagle bowing its head before victorious Louis on one of the ceiling paintings in the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles, btw, which gave Bismarck the idea of letting the Second Empire be founded right then and there, which gave the French the idea of having the Versailles Treaty post WWI be concluded right then and there - , I'm assuming that if the border was elsewhere, it would be been closer rather than further away.
do believe Katte wouldn't have known of the Sinsheim escape attempt only a few days later. There's a full week between the escape attempt and FW's first freaking out, and only three days between that and when the order to arrest Katte arrives in Berlin.
Delayed by a night, despite being delivered by urgent messenger, and are we still sideeyeing the Postmeister for this (in a favourable fashion)? Might he have been in the pay of the Danish envoy as well, given the later's warning to Katte?
Re: Colonel v. Pannewitz - with the caveat that they were probably multiple Pannewitz just like there were a lot of Kattes, Wartenslebens and Schulenburgs, could this be the husband of the future FW puncher? If so, she might have socalizied with Katte, and we're free to imagine she didn't just punch FW on her own behalf.
I haven't confirmed, but I think you're right! There were a lot of Pannewitzes (*so* many Pannewitzes in Wikipedia), but Wolf Adolf was a colonel at the time, he was in the Gensdarmes (the regiment Katte was in), and his daughter was lady-in-waiting to SD and Wikipedia says she grew up at the court of SD with her mother.
Oh, wait, daughter Sophie is the one AW was in love with. Who you said was the daughter of the woman who punched FW. Who you also said was named Johanna, which is the name of Wolf Adolf's wife.
So yes! FW-punching Frau von Pannewitz was married to a guy in the same regiment as Katte, who was a colonel at the time, and since Katte is asking Colonel von Pannewitz about his leave, it's the same guy.
OMG, FW got punched by the wife of one of Katte's commanding officers! Not long after Katte's execution! While FW may or may not be getting any with his wife after her favorite son's imprisonment.
Wooow. One, the punching just became orders of magnitude more vicariously satisfying to me. Two, karma is a bitch, FW. :P
Wow, now I have to wonder how Colonel von Pannewitz felt about how the Katte drama played out.
Delayed by a night, despite being delivered by urgent messenger, and are we still sideeyeing the Postmeister for this (in a favourable fashion)? Might he have been in the pay of the Danish envoy as well, given the later's warning to Katte?
I am definitely side-eying him favorably! And ooh, yes, he could be in the pay of the Danish envoy. Or British. Or somebody.
Having a historian hobby is fun, you get to find all these little tidbits and speculate about others. :)
So yes! FW-punching Frau von Pannewitz was married to a guy in the same regiment as Katte, who was a colonel at the time, and since Katte is asking Colonel von Pannewitz about his leave, it's the same guy.
OMG, FW got punched by the wife of one of Katte's commanding officers! Not long after Katte's execution! While FW may or may not be getting any with his wife after her favorite son's imprisonment.
Woohoo! Detective Mildred, we nailed another one. And I can't see how Johanna von Pannewitz could have avoided knowing Katte, between her husband being his superior in the regiment and Katte, as per Wilhelmine, showing up at every concert in (SD's palace) Monbijou because this was for Berlin music lovers the only chance to hear a (non-private) one. So I think we're on reasonably good ground to assume she knew and liked him. And had undoubtedly her own opinion on royal justice when it came to his execution. (And of the King being fully of sympathy for the "promising young man" in December.)
Mind you, the context of his groping attempt was presumably the only one where a subject had a chance to get away with putting a hand on the King, let alone punching him. Any other context and there's been bad consequences for her and her family. But not in this one, not with FW having to tell himself she was just doing what a good Christian wife should.
Wow, now I have to wonder how Colonel von Pannewitz felt about how the Katte drama played out.
It must have been a subject at home, right?
BTW: the punch happened when the Prussian court was in Braunschweig territory for the Fritz & EC/ Charlotte & EC's brother weddings. I wonder whether Fritz saw his father's face post punching and heard how it came to be thus, and thanks to whom? Given that the wedding festivities demanded FW's public presence all the time, he must have noticed.
You did most of the work! I had of course wondered, but had written it off as "large noble family" (see also: letter forwarder Captain Katte not being the same as Zeithain-attending Colonel Katte) without checking. And when I did go digging at your suggestion, it was mostly your backstories on the Pannewitz women that allowed me to connect the dots with confidence. Well done, us!
So I think we're on reasonably good ground to assume she knew and liked him. And had undoubtedly her own opinion on royal justice when it came to his execution. (And of the King being fully of sympathy for the "promising young man" in December.)
I'm not sure we have evidence per se that she liked him? But my headcanon is totally that she did, and that she punched FW on her own behalf, on Katte's behalf, and by extension, ON MY BEHALF. Ahem.
It must have been a subject at home, right?
Absolutely! It must have been a subject in everyone's home for a while!
Given that the wedding festivities demanded FW's public presence all the time, he must have noticed.
"I walked into a door," the old battered wife excuse. :P
Fritz and Fredersdorf: *snickering behind their hands together*
It must have been the highlight of an otherwise grim episode for Fritz.
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Re: Katte - Species Facti 2
I'm iffy on where exactly the border would have been in 1730.
I'm iffy, too, but given that Louis XIV did some massive invasions and wars in his time into various German principalities, most of all the Palatinate using poor Liselotte as an excuse, who hated this and wrote furious and heartbroken letters about it - which is why you see the German eagle bowing its head before victorious Louis on one of the ceiling paintings in the Hall of Mirrors in Versailles, btw, which gave Bismarck the idea of letting the Second Empire be founded right then and there, which gave the French the idea of having the Versailles Treaty post WWI be concluded right then and there - , I'm assuming that if the border was elsewhere, it would be been closer rather than further away.
do believe Katte wouldn't have known of the Sinsheim escape attempt only a few days later. There's a full week between the escape attempt and FW's first freaking out, and only three days between that and when the order to arrest Katte arrives in Berlin.
Delayed by a night, despite being delivered by urgent messenger, and are we still sideeyeing the Postmeister for this (in a favourable fashion)? Might he have been in the pay of the Danish envoy as well, given the later's warning to Katte?
You're weloome, oh Royal Librarian!
Re: Katte - Species Facti 2
I haven't confirmed, but I think you're right! There were a lot of Pannewitzes (*so* many Pannewitzes in Wikipedia), but Wolf Adolf was a colonel at the time, he was in the Gensdarmes (the regiment Katte was in), and his daughter was lady-in-waiting to SD and Wikipedia says she grew up at the court of SD with her mother.
Oh, wait, daughter Sophie is the one AW was in love with. Who you said was the daughter of the woman who punched FW. Who you also said was named Johanna, which is the name of Wolf Adolf's wife.
So yes! FW-punching Frau von Pannewitz was married to a guy in the same regiment as Katte, who was a colonel at the time, and since Katte is asking Colonel von Pannewitz about his leave, it's the same guy.
OMG, FW got punched by the wife of one of Katte's commanding officers! Not long after Katte's execution! While FW may or may not be getting any with his wife after her favorite son's imprisonment.
Wooow. One, the punching just became orders of magnitude more vicariously satisfying to me. Two, karma is a bitch, FW. :P
Wow, now I have to wonder how Colonel von Pannewitz felt about how the Katte drama played out.
Delayed by a night, despite being delivered by urgent messenger, and are we still sideeyeing the Postmeister for this (in a favourable fashion)? Might he have been in the pay of the Danish envoy as well, given the later's warning to Katte?
I am definitely side-eying him favorably! And ooh, yes, he could be in the pay of the Danish envoy. Or British. Or somebody.
Having a historian hobby is fun, you get to find all these little tidbits and speculate about others. :)
Re: Katte - Species Facti 2
OMG, FW got punched by the wife of one of Katte's commanding officers! Not long after Katte's execution! While FW may or may not be getting any with his wife after her favorite son's imprisonment.
Woohoo! Detective Mildred, we nailed another one. And I can't see how Johanna von Pannewitz could have avoided knowing Katte, between her husband being his superior in the regiment and Katte, as per Wilhelmine, showing up at every concert in (SD's palace) Monbijou because this was for Berlin music lovers the only chance to hear a (non-private) one. So I think we're on reasonably good ground to assume she knew and liked him. And had undoubtedly her own opinion on royal justice when it came to his execution. (And of the King being fully of sympathy for the "promising young man" in December.)
Mind you, the context of his groping attempt was presumably the only one where a subject had a chance to get away with putting a hand on the King, let alone punching him. Any other context and there's been bad consequences for her and her family. But not in this one, not with FW having to tell himself she was just doing what a good Christian wife should.
Wow, now I have to wonder how Colonel von Pannewitz felt about how the Katte drama played out.
It must have been a subject at home, right?
BTW: the punch happened when the Prussian court was in Braunschweig territory for the Fritz & EC/ Charlotte & EC's brother weddings. I wonder whether Fritz saw his father's face post punching and heard how it came to be thus, and thanks to whom? Given that the wedding festivities demanded FW's public presence all the time, he must have noticed.
Re: Katte - Species Facti 2
You did most of the work! I had of course wondered, but had written it off as "large noble family" (see also: letter forwarder Captain Katte not being the same as Zeithain-attending Colonel Katte) without checking. And when I did go digging at your suggestion, it was mostly your backstories on the Pannewitz women that allowed me to connect the dots with confidence. Well done, us!
So I think we're on reasonably good ground to assume she knew and liked him. And had undoubtedly her own opinion on royal justice when it came to his execution. (And of the King being fully of sympathy for the "promising young man" in December.)
I'm not sure we have evidence per se that she liked him? But my headcanon is totally that she did, and that she punched FW on her own behalf, on Katte's behalf, and by extension, ON MY BEHALF. Ahem.
It must have been a subject at home, right?
Absolutely! It must have been a subject in everyone's home for a while!
Given that the wedding festivities demanded FW's public presence all the time, he must have noticed.
"I walked into a door," the old battered wife excuse. :P
Fritz and Fredersdorf: *snickering behind their hands together*
It must have been the highlight of an otherwise grim episode for Fritz.