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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2020-03-07 07:17 am
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Frederick the Great discussion post 13

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Re: Katte at Küstrin: The Theodor Hoffbauer Version

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2020-03-08 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I don‘t have the time to translate all the reports beyond the quotes I‘ve already given, but I can scan those pages like I did the map so you can have a look.

I volunteer as tribute translator! I want to do it anyway for Rheinsberg, provide transcribed and translated text, and having [personal profile] gambitten express interest is a great motivator. :) And you can correct any mistakes I make or anywhere I get stumped with the German.

the „I can see Katte“ claim which depending on whether you believe Fritz meant it literally, metaphorically or either Fritz or Lepel made it up was or wasn‘t a hallucination.

I'm always amazed that people just straightforwardly state that this is a hallucination. PTSD flashback, metaphor, and extremely vivid memory all seem way more likely to me than psychotic hallucination.

Given that pre-Katte‘s execution, Fritz seems to have been in more of a bravado mood, the contrast must have been especially striking.

This is so true and so sad. :( And then he recovers and proceeds to alternate between cooperation and bravado, and idiot biographers conclude, "Obviously never really loved Katte! The nervous breakdown only lasted a day or two. I myself have permanent nervous breakdowns anytime I lose anyone I love, and never recover, which is why I'm capable of writing this biography. Alternatively, the reader should conclude that I too am a psychopath. At best, I've had the great good fortune of never losing anyone, which seems unlikely since I am an old man in the nineteenth century and antibiotics haven't been invented yet. Anyway, the takeaway is that Fritz was super cold and calculating!"

SMH.
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Re: Katte at Küstrin: The Theodor Hoffbauer Version

[personal profile] selenak 2020-03-08 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm always amazed that people just straightforwardly state that this is a hallucination. PTSD flashback, metaphor, and extremely vivid memory all seem way more likely to me than psychotic hallucination.

It's like no one remembers Hamlet, and the first time Hamlet says he sees his father. At which point he doesn't mean it literally and is surprised Horatio takes it that way.
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Re: Katte at Küstrin: The Theodor Hoffbauer Version

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2020-03-08 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Obviously, Fritz was seeing Katte's ghost! (I have actually seen fanfic and fanart to this effect, but so far no biographers.)