Aw, thanks. <3. Note that back when all my fictional speculating started, with the scenario for Fritz: The TV Show for five seasons, I did bring Katte's ghost back in s5 as well. Let's face it, if you're covering Fritz for longer than Küstrin, it's pretty much the only way in which Katte gets to have some narrative space beyond a short part of it.
Not that I expect the musical to go into depth with this, because, you know, musical, meaning most stage time will be covered by songs, not dialogue, but I do find the Katte & Old Fritz combination a challenging and intriguing dramatic premise to pull off, if, that is, one has Katte as an actual character as opposed to a part of Fritz' imagination (in the way the tv show Six Feet Under uses its "ghosts" to comment as a post modern way to replace the dramatic monologue about one's innner state). I know the Mobster AU writer has done it, but that's a Fritz who actually has had therapy and has a current good life, and the one significant relationship he's in - with AU Algarotti - is encouraging and functional, and hence this old Fritz is already in a very different emoitonal and psychological state than the real deal would have been in the 80s (or even in the 70s, if you want to have ghostly Katte show up earlier). Because if ghostly Katte is an actual person, not a fragment of imagination, and if he shows up for longer than just to bring Fritz peace, wouldn't he be bound to have OPINIONS on the various people in Fritz' life and Fritz' relationships with them?
Let's be real. If Wilhelmine fell for Katte and let it be known, the three of them would have jumped all over a ménage à trois.
So what you're saying is that Grumbkow in Fiat Justitia has a point? ;)
wouldn't he be bound to have OPINIONS on the various people in Fritz' life and Fritz' relationships with them?
OMG.
Algarotti: I like him! Nice guy. Think he's up for a menage a trois with another ghost? Fredersdorf: Oh, that's nice flute playing. OK, I guess I approve of him, but you know, he's a commoner! Keith: Bro. You've got to talk to Pete more. Come on, this is ridiculous. Voltaire: ...really? Really??
Because if ghostly Katte is an actual person, not a fragment of imagination, and if he shows up for longer than just to bring Fritz peace, wouldn't he be bound to have OPINIONS on the various people in Fritz' life and Fritz' relationships with them?
Yes! And that would be super interesting. And challenging. He probably wouldn't have a problem with the Silesian invasion, he is an 18th century Prussian (who preferred a Prussian war to a French peace, no less), but he might have some opinions about the ways in which Fritz turned out like FW. It would be easier for him, I think, if he was there to watch the whole development, but if he just shows up late in Fritz's life, he might be in for something of a shock.
I know the Mobster AU writer has done it, but that's a Fritz who actually has had therapy and has a current good life, and the one significant relationship he's in - with AU Algarotti - is encouraging and functional
Yes, indeed. Also, I didn't know you were reading the most recent one, where he gets reunited with Katte late in life. The one I commissioned. :D
So what you're saying is that Grumbkow in Fiat Justitia has a point? ;)
He's not completely off the mark. ;) They *didn't*, but they *could have*.
Also, I didn't know you were reading the most recent one, where he gets reunited with Katte late in life. The one I commissioned.
Just because I love the siblings and the most problematic boyfriend the most doesn't mean I don't care about the rest of the ensemble. :) Also I was curious, because a Katte who has the chance to live an actual life instead of dying young and tragically is someone I personally couldn't write (somehow, my imagination ends at the end of Fiat Justitia when it comes to surviving Kattes), but am interested to read about. There are certainly a good variety of possibilities of how he could turn out!
Meanwhile, ghostly Katte who remains young but gets the chance to look at further developments: Yes! And that would be super interesting. And challenging. He probably wouldn't have a problem with the Silesian invasion, he is an 18th century Prussian (who preferred a Prussian war to a French peace, no less), but he might have some opinions about the ways in which Fritz turned out like FW. It would be easier for him, I think, if he was there to watch the whole development, but if he just shows up late in Fritz's life, he might be in for something of a shock.
No kidding. I mean, just imagine him first dropping by for a ghostly visit when Fritz is having a go at nephew FW2 for wearing French clothing and gets rid of some of FW2's friends as bad influences. Or, well, at any encounter between Fritz and Heinrich. (Even if Heinrich is being a bastard right back at Fritz, which as opposed to nephew he was absolutely capable of, being l'autre moi-meme.)
just imagine him first dropping by for a ghostly visit when Fritz is having a go at nephew FW2 for wearing French clothing and gets rid of some of FW2's friends as bad influences.
That is EXACTLY the one I had in mind.
Katte, maybe your resting place should be a place where you, you know, rest. Either stick with Fritz starting at Küstrin, or reunite with him and his dogs after 1786 at Sanssouci and be sans souci together. The middle ground is full of landmines.
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Re: Fritz - the Musical
Not that I expect the musical to go into depth with this, because, you know, musical, meaning most stage time will be covered by songs, not dialogue, but I do find the Katte & Old Fritz combination a challenging and intriguing dramatic premise to pull off, if, that is, one has Katte as an actual character as opposed to a part of Fritz' imagination (in the way the tv show Six Feet Under uses its "ghosts" to comment as a post modern way to replace the dramatic monologue about one's innner state). I know the Mobster AU writer has done it, but that's a Fritz who actually has had therapy and has a current good life, and the one significant relationship he's in - with AU Algarotti - is encouraging and functional, and hence this old Fritz is already in a very different emoitonal and psychological state than the real deal would have been in the 80s (or even in the 70s, if you want to have ghostly Katte show up earlier). Because if ghostly Katte is an actual person, not a fragment of imagination, and if he shows up for longer than just to bring Fritz peace, wouldn't he be bound to have OPINIONS on the various people in Fritz' life and Fritz' relationships with them?
Let's be real. If Wilhelmine fell for Katte and let it be known, the three of them would have jumped all over a ménage à trois.
So what you're saying is that Grumbkow in Fiat Justitia has a point? ;)
Re: Fritz - the Musical
OMG.
Algarotti: I like him! Nice guy. Think he's up for a menage a trois with another ghost?
Fredersdorf: Oh, that's nice flute playing. OK, I guess I approve of him, but you know, he's a commoner!
Keith: Bro. You've got to talk to Pete more. Come on, this is ridiculous.
Voltaire: ...really? Really??
Re: Fritz - the Musical
Re: Fritz - the Musical
Yes! And that would be super interesting. And challenging. He probably wouldn't have a problem with the Silesian invasion, he is an 18th century Prussian (who preferred a Prussian war to a French peace, no less), but he might have some opinions about the ways in which Fritz turned out like FW. It would be easier for him, I think, if he was there to watch the whole development, but if he just shows up late in Fritz's life, he might be in for something of a shock.
I know the Mobster AU writer has done it, but that's a Fritz who actually has had therapy and has a current good life, and the one significant relationship he's in - with AU Algarotti - is encouraging and functional
Yes, indeed. Also, I didn't know you were reading the most recent one, where he gets reunited with Katte late in life. The one I commissioned. :D
So what you're saying is that Grumbkow in Fiat Justitia has a point? ;)
He's not completely off the mark. ;) They *didn't*, but they *could have*.
Re: Fritz - the Musical
Just because I love the siblings and the most problematic boyfriend the most doesn't mean I don't care about the rest of the ensemble. :) Also I was curious, because a Katte who has the chance to live an actual life instead of dying young and tragically is someone I personally couldn't write (somehow, my imagination ends at the end of Fiat Justitia when it comes to surviving Kattes), but am interested to read about. There are certainly a good variety of possibilities of how he could turn out!
Meanwhile, ghostly Katte who remains young but gets the chance to look at further developments:
Yes! And that would be super interesting. And challenging. He probably wouldn't have a problem with the Silesian invasion, he is an 18th century Prussian (who preferred a Prussian war to a French peace, no less), but he might have some opinions about the ways in which Fritz turned out like FW. It would be easier for him, I think, if he was there to watch the whole development, but if he just shows up late in Fritz's life, he might be in for something of a shock.
No kidding. I mean, just imagine him first dropping by for a ghostly visit when Fritz is having a go at nephew FW2 for wearing French clothing and gets rid of some of FW2's friends as bad influences. Or, well, at any encounter between Fritz and Heinrich. (Even if Heinrich is being a bastard right back at Fritz, which as opposed to nephew he was absolutely capable of, being l'autre moi-meme.)
Re: Fritz - the Musical
That is EXACTLY the one I had in mind.
Katte, maybe your resting place should be a place where you, you know, rest. Either stick with Fritz starting at Küstrin, or reunite with him and his dogs after 1786 at Sanssouci and be sans souci together. The middle ground is full of landmines.