Borcke: how are they related to the ultimately fired for pacifism FW2 educator?
I've been wondering the same myself since I first saw this Borcke guy in Lavisse. Since you ask, I'll take this opportunity to do some genealogy research.
*some time later*
3rd cousin! And actually not through the male line, or not exclusively: twice in Fritz's BFF's family a female von Borcke married a male von Borcke, and it's through two of the female von Borckes that BFF is related to FW2 educator. Behold:
FW2 educator Heinrich Adrian von Borcke is the son of Adrian von Borcke, the son of Andreas von Borcke, the son of Adrian von Borcke, the son of Andreas von Borcke.
Fritz BFF Friedrich Ludwig Felix von Borcke is the son of Georg von Borcke, the son of Martha von Borcke, the daughter of Eva von Borcke, the daughter of Andreas von Borcke.
Due to the inbreeding, they are probably related numerous other ways, but I haven't looked up how closely related the Borcke-Borcke spouses might be.
ETA: Also, "(older brother Borcke is notable enough to get his own Wikipedia page, possible boyfriend Borcke is not)" is total memory fail on my part. Not only does the less famous one have a Wikipedia page, my browser history shows I clicked on it, and my memory now remembers reading it, now that I'm looking at it again. It just doesn't have a great deal of information. He seems to have gotten mentally ill (unspecified) in the late 1740s, and died unmarried in 1751.
Still, I'm glad that she found out!
I just hope he's right about that!
arrives from Berlin where he has only been getting the FW approved meals, and immediately pounces on the much better equipped Frederician larder
OMG, you're right. That's exactly why the brother pounced on the food.
Fritz, it's a bit rich of you to complain about how your brother is more interested in enriching his stomach than his mind when you yourself are in debt to all of Europe for stocking your larder the moment you got away from Dad, and will continue having disordered eating for the rest of your life. Yes, now that you have your own household and sugar daddies all over the content, you can stop thinking about food long enough to read books all day--Maslow's hierarchy of needs, anyone?--but put you back on the FW2 diet and see how long you last. I've SEEN descriptions of that larder and also of your debts. Yes, some of the debts are for books. NOT ALL. :P
From one oldest sibling bookworm to another (almost) oldest sibling bookworm, though, I'm sorry they made you babysit when you'd rather be reading. I know how that goes. (Heinrich, I'm sorry about your babysitter. I hope you enjoyed the tart.)
Fritz: My Suhm-translated Wolff, which - OMG! Did you just make chocolate fingerprints on my Suhm and Voltaire letters? Get away from my library, you savage!
Fritz, later, when Mantteufel shows up again: THAT KID HAS A TERRIBLE CHARACTER.
HAHAHA. It 100% happened like this, absolutely.
(Still snickering over the chocolate fingerprints. You, selenak, are a dysfunctional sibling-writing genius.)
I haven't looked up how closely related the Borcke-Borcke spouses might be
That's the kind of sentence one only gets in this salon. :)
OMG, you're right. That's exactly why the brother pounced on the food.
The joy of crack fic aside, that did seem the logical explanation for me. It's not like FW changed his ideas about how to feed his kids for the younger siblings.
(Still snickering over the chocolate fingerprints. You, selenak, are a dysfunctional sibling-writing genius.
Well, someone has to be. You should have seen me go through the AO3 archive when our discussions had rekindled my interest and goinng "woe, woe, where are my dysfunctional Hohenzollern sibling relationships? Why aren't there any siblings? Ah, at last, some Wilhelmine, but she's way too functional, and where is my Heinrich? Why no AW? Why aren't there any siblings anywhere?"
That's the kind of sentence one only gets in this salon. :)
Sadly, my own family tree has this kind of nonsense too. A couple centuries ago, fortunately for me and my (non-Habsburg) jaw. ;) In my case, I know exactly how closely related the Brink-Brink (I think I'm remembering the surname correctly) spouses were: their fathers were twins (we hope fraternal, but could easily be identical), and their mothers were first cousins.
that did seem the logical explanation for me. It's not like FW changed his ideas about how to feed his kids for the younger siblings.
That is absolutely the logical explanation, and all kudos to you for realizing it.
where is my Heinrich? Why no AW? Why aren't there any siblings anywhere?"
Aww, that's sad, and makes me appreciate even my boyfriend fics even more! (Of course, now that I'm discovering more obscure boyfriends...)
Ah, at last, some Wilhelmine, but she's way too functional
*nod* I remember that was your complaint about the mob boss modern AU. Well, props to you and your sibling-writing, both on AO3 and here for our private enjoyment. :D
I have no idea how you got in there, FW2, but apologies for the extraneous digit! My fingers have had a mind of their own when it comes to digits today, as cahn could tell you.
LOL! I was wondering about the Borckes too (what have you guys done to me, I actually was wondering how two COMPLETELY MINOR characters are related) and I might have realized that der einzige detective would be on the case!
what have you guys done to me, I actually was wondering how two COMPLETELY MINOR characters are related
Hee! You are one of us now. :D You laugh at chronological jokes and recognize minor characters from the same family. And you wrote the BEST Fredersdorf diary excerpt! (I would still kill for any other excerpts, should you be so inspired.)
I might have realized that der einzige detective would be on the case!
:)
The detective had been wondering about the Borckes, but hadn't bothered to look it up until someone else expressed interest. The magical alchemy of the Fritzian salon!
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I've been wondering the same myself since I first saw this Borcke guy in Lavisse. Since you ask, I'll take this opportunity to do some genealogy research.
*some time later*
3rd cousin! And actually not through the male line, or not exclusively: twice in Fritz's BFF's family a female von Borcke married a male von Borcke, and it's through two of the female von Borckes that BFF is related to FW2 educator. Behold:
FW2 educator Heinrich Adrian von Borcke is the son of Adrian von Borcke, the son of Andreas von Borcke, the son of Adrian von Borcke, the son of Andreas von Borcke.
Fritz BFF Friedrich Ludwig Felix von Borcke is the son of Georg von Borcke, the son of Martha von Borcke, the daughter of Eva von Borcke, the daughter of Andreas von Borcke.
Due to the inbreeding, they are probably related numerous other ways, but I haven't looked up how closely related the Borcke-Borcke spouses might be.
ETA: Also, "(older brother Borcke is notable enough to get his own Wikipedia page, possible boyfriend Borcke is not)" is total memory fail on my part. Not only does the less famous one have a Wikipedia page, my browser history shows I clicked on it, and my memory now remembers reading it, now that I'm looking at it again. It just doesn't have a great deal of information. He seems to have gotten mentally ill (unspecified) in the late 1740s, and died unmarried in 1751.
Still, I'm glad that she found out!
I just hope he's right about that!
arrives from Berlin where he has only been getting the FW approved meals, and immediately pounces on the much better equipped Frederician larder
OMG, you're right. That's exactly why the brother pounced on the food.
Fritz, it's a bit rich of you to complain about how your brother is more interested in enriching his stomach than his mind when you yourself are in debt to all of Europe for stocking your larder the moment you got away from Dad, and will continue having disordered eating for the rest of your life. Yes, now that you have your own household and sugar daddies all over the content, you can stop thinking about food long enough to read books all day--Maslow's hierarchy of needs, anyone?--but put you back on the FW2 diet and see how long you last. I've SEEN descriptions of that larder and also of your debts. Yes, some of the debts are for books. NOT ALL. :P
From one oldest sibling bookworm to another (almost) oldest sibling bookworm, though, I'm sorry they made you babysit when you'd rather be reading. I know how that goes. (Heinrich, I'm sorry about your babysitter. I hope you enjoyed the tart.)
Fritz: My Suhm-translated Wolff, which - OMG! Did you just make chocolate fingerprints on my Suhm and Voltaire letters? Get away from my library, you savage!
Fritz, later, when Mantteufel shows up again: THAT KID HAS A TERRIBLE CHARACTER.
HAHAHA. It 100% happened like this, absolutely.
(Still snickering over the chocolate fingerprints. You,
Re: Asprey 2
That's the kind of sentence one only gets in this salon. :)
OMG, you're right. That's exactly why the brother pounced on the food.
The joy of crack fic aside, that did seem the logical explanation for me. It's not like FW changed his ideas about how to feed his kids for the younger siblings.
(Still snickering over the chocolate fingerprints. You,
Well, someone has to be. You should have seen me go through the AO3 archive when our discussions had rekindled my interest and goinng "woe, woe, where are my dysfunctional Hohenzollern sibling relationships? Why aren't there any siblings? Ah, at last, some Wilhelmine, but she's way too functional, and where is my Heinrich? Why no AW? Why aren't there any siblings anywhere?"
Re: Asprey 2
Sadly, my own family tree has this kind of nonsense too. A couple centuries ago, fortunately for me and my (non-Habsburg) jaw. ;) In my case, I know exactly how closely related the Brink-Brink (I think I'm remembering the surname correctly) spouses were: their fathers were twins (we hope fraternal, but could easily be identical), and their mothers were first cousins.
that did seem the logical explanation for me. It's not like FW changed his ideas about how to feed his kids for the younger siblings.
That is absolutely the logical explanation, and all kudos to you for realizing it.
where is my Heinrich? Why no AW? Why aren't there any siblings anywhere?"
Aww, that's sad, and makes me appreciate even my boyfriend fics even more! (Of course, now that I'm discovering more obscure boyfriends...)
Ah, at last, some Wilhelmine, but she's way too functional
*nod* I remember that was your complaint about the mob boss modern AU. Well, props to you and your sibling-writing, both on AO3 and here for our private enjoyment. :D
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I'm SO HAPPY that you wrote us dysfunctional Hohenzollern siblings! <3333333 *cuddles "Promises to Keep"*
Re: Asprey 2
sugar daddies all over the content
That should be "continent".
but put you back on the FW2 diet
I have no idea how you got in there, FW2, but apologies for the extraneous digit! My fingers have had a mind of their own when it comes to digits today, as cahn could tell you.
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Hee! You are one of us now. :D You laugh at chronological jokes and recognize minor characters from the same family. And you wrote the BEST Fredersdorf diary excerpt! (I would still kill for any other excerpts, should you be so inspired.)
I might have realized that der einzige detective would be on the case!
:)
The detective had been wondering about the Borckes, but hadn't bothered to look it up until someone else expressed interest. The magical alchemy of the Fritzian salon!