INDEED. And I did wonder why the response to my query seemed deceptively muted, until I realized mildred had replied to selenak and had all had migrated over here XD
Heee. This is why I subscribe both to new comments on individual Fritz posts and also to new posts made by cahn with the "Frederick the Great" tag. That way you get ALL the email notifications. Um, it also required me to create a filter in Gmail for the flood of notifications, full disclosure (and I don't even get my own notifications, and we all know I am responsible for 50% of the notifications, so...).
Thank you for the link to the history of hemorrhoids! I had never seen anyone recent claim that the link between constipation and hemorrhoids was tenuous.
I'm not sure at what age Fritz began to be troubled with piles, but it is indeed something I have wondered (less for sex reasons and more for general chronology of his health reasons). Quite plausible that by age 17/18 they were not a problem yet, as my understanding is that the likelihood of getting them increases with age. And I have no direct evidence of him having this problem so early. Hence him bottoming for Katte and switching.
Fritz/Algarotti: clearly Fritz tops! And Algarotti blows him. In the carriage travelling many many miles west ♥
Yep! To be fair, as we discussed, the hemorrhoids may not have been a problem yet in 1740. But I *still* don't see Fritz bottoming for Algarotti in the one or two times I imagine them actually doing it before Fritz goes, "Naahhh."
I definitely don't see the king bottoming for Fredersdorf
Yeah, I don't see it happening; what I see is Fritz wishing he could get into an erastes/eromenos dynamic with Fredersdorf and not being able to figure out how.
This is actually probably why I latched so hard onto Suhm: I've been looking for an erastes for Fritz, and Katte dies off too quickly. Suhm is at least intermittently around post-Küstrin, up to 1736, and emotionally present via correspondence afterward.
I am hoping this conversation might have encouraged some other members of the salon to write it...!
At this point, I'm only up for co-authoring, but I'm game! I'm definitely taking mental notes as we go, for future reference.
Via speculation about their sex lives, admittedly, but still -- ours is a higher calling
Well, last night I was chatting with raven_aorla (author of the mob boss fic), and told her that the latest news from the salon was an in-depth "who bottoms?" discussion, and that led to me and her working out the dynamics of a foursome involving modern-day mob boss Fritz, Algarotti, Katte, and Peter Keith, which she may or may not end up writing, but it has a title and an outline and a Google doc, and I have a good track record of inspiring her to write things, so... :D
Funnily enough, she also brought up Achilles and Patroclus and Plato as parallels for our salon's latest topic! Whereupon I pointed out that we are much more methodologically rigorous and that I take pride in that. ;)
seems to suggest Lehndorff bottoms for his prince, actually? esp since there wasn't a lot of height to Heinrich?
I'm not quite following how Heinrich's height is relevant here?
which notes that, in the choreography for the opera's sex scene, the emperor uncharacteristically bottoms.
Oh, interesting. I would point out that physical bottoming and sexual bottoming are two different things: the penetratee can be physically on top, riding or orally servicing the penetrator, and by Greco-Roman standards, would still be considered to be accepting the subordinate role.
Re: Toppings of all types, continued
Heee. This is why I subscribe both to new comments on individual Fritz posts and also to new posts made by
Thank you for the link to the history of hemorrhoids! I had never seen anyone recent claim that the link between constipation and hemorrhoids was tenuous.
I'm not sure at what age Fritz began to be troubled with piles, but it is indeed something I have wondered (less for sex reasons and more for general chronology of his health reasons). Quite plausible that by age 17/18 they were not a problem yet, as my understanding is that the likelihood of getting them increases with age. And I have no direct evidence of him having this problem so early. Hence him bottoming for Katte and switching.
Fritz/Algarotti: clearly Fritz tops! And Algarotti blows him. In the carriage travelling many many miles west ♥
Yep! To be fair, as we discussed, the hemorrhoids may not have been a problem yet in 1740. But I *still* don't see Fritz bottoming for Algarotti in the one or two times I imagine them actually doing it before Fritz goes, "Naahhh."
I definitely don't see the king bottoming for Fredersdorf
Yeah, I don't see it happening; what I see is Fritz wishing he could get into an erastes/eromenos dynamic with Fredersdorf and not being able to figure out how.
This is actually probably why I latched so hard onto Suhm: I've been looking for an erastes for Fritz, and Katte dies off too quickly. Suhm is at least intermittently around post-Küstrin, up to 1736, and emotionally present via correspondence afterward.
I am hoping this conversation might have encouraged some other members of the salon to write it...!
At this point, I'm only up for co-authoring, but I'm game! I'm definitely taking mental notes as we go, for future reference.
Via speculation about their sex lives, admittedly, but still -- ours is a higher calling
Well, last night I was chatting with raven_aorla (author of the mob boss fic), and told her that the latest news from the salon was an in-depth "who bottoms?" discussion, and that led to me and her working out the dynamics of a foursome involving modern-day mob boss Fritz, Algarotti, Katte, and Peter Keith, which she may or may not end up writing, but it has a title and an outline and a Google doc, and I have a good track record of inspiring her to write things, so... :D
Funnily enough, she also brought up Achilles and Patroclus and Plato as parallels for our salon's latest topic! Whereupon I pointed out that we are much more methodologically rigorous and that I take pride in that. ;)
seems to suggest Lehndorff bottoms for his prince, actually? esp since there wasn't a lot of height to Heinrich?
I'm not quite following how Heinrich's height is relevant here?
which notes that, in the choreography for the opera's sex scene, the emperor uncharacteristically bottoms.
Oh, interesting. I would point out that physical bottoming and sexual bottoming are two different things: the penetratee can be physically on top, riding or orally servicing the penetrator, and by Greco-Roman standards, would still be considered to be accepting the subordinate role.