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cahn ([personal profile] cahn) wrote2019-08-20 09:52 am

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This is totally too good to keep to myself: on my "I showed my family opera clips" post, [personal profile] mildred_of_midgard and [personal profile] selenak are talking about Frederick the Great (by way of Don Carlo, of course) and it is like this amazing virtuoso spontaneous thing and whoa

Things I knew about Frederick the Great before a year ago: he was king of... Prussia??

Additional things I knew about Frederick the Great before the last couple of days: [personal profile] selenak informed me last year that he and his dad may well have been at least somewhat the inspiration for Schiller's Don Carlos, and everything that goes with that: his dad (Friedrich Wilhelm, henceforth FW) was majorly awful, he had a boyfriend (Katte) who was horribly killed by his dad

Only a partial list of the additional things I now know about Frederick the Great (henceforth "Fritz") and associated historical figures due to mildred and selenak:
-Fritz and Katte's escape plan (which resulted in Katte's execution) was... really, really boneheaded. As boneheaded as opera plots! :P
-Katte was in the process of destroying 1,500 letters when he got caught (! puts all those letters in Don Carlos into perspective) (ETA: but also see mildred's comment below)
-Fritz wrote opera libretti and so did his sister
-Fritz decided to use himself as an experimental test subject to see if it was entirely possible to do without sleep via the application of coffee WITH PEPPERCORNS AND MUSTARD
-Fritz wrote a poem about orgasm that also reads as if he's never actually, like, had sex (although that was not in this post, it was in the comments to this one)
-FW apparently beat up George II when they were kids
-I am totally not even going to try to summarize the discussion about FW's "rationalized sadism" and sexual hangups and the reeeeeally bizarre Dresden interlude (go down a couple of comments for the really insane stuff)
-Fritz' sister Wilhemina wrote tell-all memoirs about her totally insane family which I am SUPER going to read now, watch this space

Also, there is apparently some subplot involving Russian fanboys that introduces an entirely new cast of people which I am dying to find out about
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Re: Our Insane Family: The Next Generation

[personal profile] mildred_of_midgard 2019-08-25 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
It's been educational for me too! Operatically and historically.

Let me know if you find out. My inner Classicist is interested.
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Re: Our Insane Family: The Next Generation

[personal profile] iberiandoctor 2019-08-27 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, I am also familiar with Antinous's story via Thomas Hampson (did I recc this to you, cahn?), and I'm here with this review of Rufus Wainwright's Hadrian! More a review of the music than the plot, but it should give you a sense of the storyline: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/arts/music/hadrian-opera-review-rufus-wainwright.html